elkaboingo
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gf0012 said:
nfloorl: :flame
Pak to get 60 US cobra gunship copters by year-end
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nfloorl: :flameI heard some of these cobra gunships were already delivered and are petrolling Pakistans western border hunting down Taliban and AL-kaeda elements. Pakistan has been very secrative of its weapons imports, most militaries are thats why it was never in the media other than that cobra's will be given to pak!
The Watcher
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news is cool but...farina said:
source ??? :alian
elkaboingo
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i doubt cobras would be used for hunting rebels, they arent designed for that and i dont know how effective they would be. i think they would use the bell 407s for that. just have two Mgs on it and its great for strafing a house or something.
also, fill me in, all of you who have contacts on the 'inside' thanks. greatly appreciated.
also, fill me in, all of you who have contacts on the 'inside' thanks. greatly appreciated.
They will be delivered as they come available. I believe some armybase in USA had too many of them and now they are up for export and luckily its pakistan's turn. Some reward for being a partner in war against terror.umair said:
Eklboingo, they are excellent against taliban and al-kaeda forces due to the nature of weapons they carry(both cobras and talibs). Moving around in the mountains isn't easy and I think cobras do a great job at that. Initially, pakistan requested cobras for such purpose.
Does anyone know what the effective maximum altitude of operation is? My understanding is that the Cobras are better at altitude work than the russian or french helo's, but thats only hearsay from people I know.
I know that the Taiwanese has significant problems with performance and lift out of their mirages at altitude than F16's. I was under the impression that some French helos also tended to starve faster as well.
I know that the Taiwanese has significant problems with performance and lift out of their mirages at altitude than F16's. I was under the impression that some French helos also tended to starve faster as well.
elkaboingo
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we use the french allouette for high altitude supply in siachen... so i dont really know
elkaboingo
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you have to have a really high rotor speed as the airs thinner. we also use that really small bell helo (cant remember teh name)
what altitude is siachen?
I thought that alouettes were used by the swiss for alpine rescue work. So on that basis they should be reasonable platforms.
I thought that alouettes were used by the swiss for alpine rescue work. So on that basis they should be reasonable platforms.
elkaboingo
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its 21,000 ft (you made me look that up in a book )
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the next tricky question is what is the effective altitude of operation for a solid fueled manpad... if its greater than 21k, then you better get some good stand off weapons...
elkaboingo
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scary thing is bad weather is what downs the most helos up there. for AA, there is the mg3 machine gun, i dont know what the indians have though.gf0012 said:
if its greater than 21k, then you better get some good stand off weapons...
attack helos arent used up there, i think too heavy. when you go up that high, the fighting gets a little bit 'primative'
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I'm certainly no expert on high altitude Helo Ops, but I've read that the US was desperate in Afganistan to get more CH-47D Chinooks in theatre as they were the only US helicopter capable of operating at the extreme altitudes of Afganistan due to their size and power. Wouldn't this then mean that a powerful helicopter like the Supercobra would also be suitable for the high altitude?
Both Pakistan and India use the EUROCOPTER (AEROSPATIALE) SA 315B LAMA II in Siachin for high altitude operations. Although the Puma (and others) can reach uptil the basecamp altitudes..only the Lama goes in to the front lines. No other helicopter in the world can operate at that altitude.
Now regarding the cobra. In the news report around 2 months ago when Pakistani army launched an operation against suspected anti social elements in the tribal agency (Angor Adda operation)...AH-1 Cobras were used supported by Special forces on the ground.
The altitude in the tribal areas is nowhere near the Northern Himalayan regions...and the Cobra can easily operate there.
Oh and here is the picture for Farina:
Now regarding the cobra. In the news report around 2 months ago when Pakistani army launched an operation against suspected anti social elements in the tribal agency (Angor Adda operation)...AH-1 Cobras were used supported by Special forces on the ground.
The altitude in the tribal areas is nowhere near the Northern Himalayan regions...and the Cobra can easily operate there.
Oh and here is the picture for Farina:
Bilal_Khan
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According to my sources the U.S is to supply Pakistan with 40 AH-1F Attack Helicopters, and 40 UH-1H Medium Transport Helicopters by the start of 2005.
Initially the deal reported to have 30 AH-1Fs, and 30 UH-1Hs to be given to Pakistan in aid. The Pakistan Army Aviation Corps added 10 more AH-1Fs, and 10 UH-1Hs with it's own money. The 80 Helicopters are used, and will heavily be refurbished making then good as new.
These 80 New Helicopters will reinforce the fleet of 20 AH-1Ss, and 20 UH-1Hs totalling 120 American Helicopters in the PA. Along with that I could expect 25 Mi-17 Heavy Transport Helicopters, and 25 Panther Medium Transport Helicopters.
Initially the deal reported to have 30 AH-1Fs, and 30 UH-1Hs to be given to Pakistan in aid. The Pakistan Army Aviation Corps added 10 more AH-1Fs, and 10 UH-1Hs with it's own money. The 80 Helicopters are used, and will heavily be refurbished making then good as new.
These 80 New Helicopters will reinforce the fleet of 20 AH-1Ss, and 20 UH-1Hs totalling 120 American Helicopters in the PA. Along with that I could expect 25 Mi-17 Heavy Transport Helicopters, and 25 Panther Medium Transport Helicopters.