Nazi policies and their effect on the war effort

mazzab

New Member
Throughout the second World War Nazi Germany used a variety of harsh policies in its occupied territory's, most notably the holocaust, the use of slave labour and the indiscriminate killings of civilains as revenge for partisan operations. To what extent did the Nazi policies hamper Germanys war effort in terms of the loss of workers for the armaments industry and the numbers of german soldiers depoyed in anti partisan operations instead of at the "front lines"?. Would Germany have had a better chance of winning the war if it had the support of the people in the occupied territories?
This is NOT a discussion on the morality of Nazi Germany.
 

GermanHerman

Active Member
Sure...

In the soviet union millions died of hunger and due to stalin's cleaning of the SU aproximatly 1.5 mio more was killed by the secret police. The total number of dead is assumed to be somewhere around 20 million (and many more where imprisoned [this would be even more than killed by the nazis (14 mio) during the war by the way, but real numbers are unknown in both cases]), you propably can imagine that the people of the Soviet Union were not happy and so it's not suprising that most people was slightly optimistic things could change for the good at the very beginning of the war. There was hope that hunger and terror would end and the 3. Reich would free them from communism.

IF nazi germany would have statisfied the hopes of the people and supported them, the SU would have propably collapsed before the russian winter leaving the wehrmacht mainly unharmed and nazi germany in control of the huge industrial capabilitys and ressources of the SU.

It's hard to imagine England beeing able to ressist such a strenghten germany and with all european allies lost the USA would most likely never even considered an invasion of germany...
 

STURM

Well-Known Member
Would Germany have had a better chance of winning the war if it had the support of the people in the occupied territories?This is NOT a discussion on the morality of Nazi Germany.
When the Germans arrived in 1941 in the Ukraine and the Baltics, a large part of the population welcomed them with open arms. Over time however, due to certain harsh and repressive policies adopted by various Gauliters and other party officials, Germany lost a lot of the local support it initially had. Another important point to take note of is that a very large number of foreigners, including many from German occupied countries in Western Europe, served in the Heer and Waffen SS as combat volunteers. Not to mention the thousands of volunteers from the Soviet Union who served in the Heer as 'Hiwis' and as 'flakhelpers' and searchlight operators in the Luftwaffe.

In the long run, IMO the eventual outcome of the war would have been the same irrespective of how many foreigners served alongside the Germans and whether or not the Germans had adopted a different policy in the occupied eastern territories, as the minute the U.S. declared war on Germany the war for Germany was lost. There was no way that Germany would have been able to compete with the industrial and economic might of both the British Empire and the U.S.,whilst still engaged in the Soviet Union.

IF nazi germany would have statisfied the hopes of the people and supported them, the SU would have propably collapsed before the russian winter leaving the wehrmacht mainly unharmed and nazi germany in control of the huge industrial capabilitys and ressources of the SU.
The fall of Moscow who have been a great loss to the Soviet Union but it would not have led to its collapse and would not have given the Germans control of Soviet industrial resources. Even if Moscow had fallen say in December, the Germans would not have been able to exploit it as losses in both men and equipment at this point were horrendous, not to mention the logistical difficulties they were experiencing.

In anticipation of the loss of Moscow and a large part of the western portion of the Soviet Union, Soviet heavy industry was moved east of the Urals and elsewhere, far beyond the reach of the Germans. The loss of Moscow would have made no difference with regards to damaging Soviet industrial capability and it still in my opinion, would have ended with the Soviets in the streets of Berlin.
 
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Waylander

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Well, if the Nazis wouldn't have comitted the crimes in eastern europe than history would have changed completely as Germany as a whole would have been different.

One can't focus on one part of our history and change it without it having an effect on many other things.

Maybe a German government which was not so into cleansing the east wouldn't have started Barbarossa at all.
 
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