John Fedup
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Some more information regarding Perle. It does seem more likely it will be scrapped. All the more reason to get on with the Barracuda.
Marine Nationale (French Navy)
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Ananda
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PANG: What We Know About France's Future Aircraft Carrier - Naval News
In the coming days, French President Macron is expected to give the "go ahead" to the French Navy's new generation aircraft carrier (PANG) program. Here is what we know so far.
www.navalnews.com
Xavier and Team assessment on French future carrier (PANG), as the schedule announcement on the design by French President closing in.
As being speculate, PANG will use Emals and US arresters system being developed for Ford class. Xavier also provide assessment on the speculation based for 70-75K displacement. Future size of Franco-German next fighter (which will be the based for Rafale replacement), seems make one of the reasons for the size speculation.
Nice reading, eventough still a speculation, but based on several French officials statement before. The development of K22 reactor and French need to keep the scale production for Naval nuclear reactor, seems become one of main reasons on speculation for Nuclear Power PANG.
John Fedup
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Certainly two carriers makes sense so that outcome will be interesting to watch. If the nuclear option is selected (most likely) then it is hard to envision a build cost less than 8 billion per ship. More likely a two ship build will cost $18-20 billion. This will require financial support from France’s FCAS partners IMO. A shame the UK and France couldn’t agree on something like this years ago but EMALS and nuclear reactor options just weren’t ready back then.
John Fedup
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France is getting new Hawkeyes for 2 billion. Sort of reaffirms the commitment to carrier aviation. France – E-2D Advanced Hawkeye Aircraft, Spares and Support Equipment
I know there's a lot involved with procurement and operation, and this case involves complex and advanced systems... But DANG that's a lot of moneyz for three aircraft! Especially since they already operate E2-C's, some of that infrastructure should be able to be carried over right?
Maybe this is a completely normal price... But DANG it still is a lot of money!
That's the top estimate, not the final amount. The final price that France pays has yet to be negotiated and it will not be US$2 billion, but somewhat less than that. Yes I agree it's still a lot of beer tokens.
John Fedup
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The package likely includes long term support.
Sandhi Yudha
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A historic moment, the last embarkation at sea was completed from 18 to 23 July 2020, when the frigate Latouche-Tréville , the last remaining F70 Georges Leygues-class frigate in Marine Nationale service, sailed with a detachment of two Lynx helicopters for an operational/training mission off Brittany. This marks the end of the era of the Lynx in operation with the Marine Nationale.
So the SA365 Dauphin, AS565 Panther and NH-90 will continue with the tasks of the Lynx.
So the SA365 Dauphin, AS565 Panther and NH-90 will continue with the tasks of the Lynx.
French Navy retires Lynx from service
The French Navy has formally retired its last Lynx Mk 4(FN) helicopters, bringing the type’s 42-year Aeronavale service career to a close
www.janes.com
Sandhi Yudha
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The replacement of the two Cassard class frigates is coming.
www.navalnews.com
In my opinion the FREMM class looks much more better than the newer Frégates_de_taille_intermédiaire class
French Navy's First FREMM DA 'Alsace' to Start Sea Trials in Early October - Naval News
The FREMM frigate "Alsace" is set to begin its initial sea trials in early October, Naval News learned from Naval Group, the shipbuilder. It is the first of two air-defence frigates known as FREMM DA (Frégate Européenne Multimissions de Défense Aérienne) for the French Navy (Marine Nationale).
www.navalnews.com
In my opinion the FREMM class looks much more better than the newer Frégates_de_taille_intermédiaire class
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Ananda
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FREMM basically equivalent to Type 26 and FDI to Type 31. Off course those are only rough comparison. So eventough FDI is newer, but it's different class than FREMM
This also give flexibility for Naval Group to market their Frigates. FREMM offered to Nation's that need or can afford Large Frigates as Type 26 and FDI offer to those that need Medium size like Type 31.
For that in export market, besides Type 31 FDI will also face Meko 200 based design.
Still in Marine Nationale, FDI will be much better armed then Lavayette they're replacing.
This also give flexibility for Naval Group to market their Frigates. FREMM offered to Nation's that need or can afford Large Frigates as Type 26 and FDI offer to those that need Medium size like Type 31.
For that in export market, besides Type 31 FDI will also face Meko 200 based design.
Still in Marine Nationale, FDI will be much better armed then Lavayette they're replacing.
Sandhi Yudha
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Btw i dont think the two Cassard destroyers will be sold to an export costumer.
Yes, the Lafayettes had the potential to carry more armament and more advanced ones.
Btw i dont think the two Cassard destroyers will be sold to an export costumer.
Ananda
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Ahh ha, you must be talking on the rumours on Indonesian Navy search for Interim Frigates
Well you never know. Naval Group has history to lease the decom French Navy assets as Interim used. Remember they're putting one Agosta to Malaysian Navy as Training (and Interim use) until their Scorpene ready.
Anyway Cassard is CODAD, and thus is quite economical to run. If rumours is true on Indonesian Navy want to get hold on one or two Frigates as Interim ones until the new ones finish, then Cassard probably better than Bremen.
Still I only see that scenarios if Naval Group win the contract for new Frigates.
FREMM, in the French Navy, has a specific role. That role is being an escort for the Carrier Group and for the Strategic Group. FDI as a replacement of the La Fayettes will provide hull numbers for all other roles - solo presence missions as well as escorting the Amphibious Group.
The difference is simply that FDI costs 30% less. That mostly stems from cheaper electronics, smaller size and - possibly important for export - not using an ITAR-subjected gas turbine.
Cassard was already stripped of weapons (*) and anything useful last year, currently awaiting a contract for scrapping. In my opinion Covid is the only reason why this hasn't gone through yet.
Jean Bart, once decommissioned, is planned to be held in reserve as a possible breakwater in case Suffren fails in its current use as that at Ile du Levant.
(*) The vintage 1965 Tartar launchers refurbished for SM-1MR before being put on them were useless anyway, given the global stock of missiles hit the end of its shelf life this year.
In the Singapore navy they do: Aster, ASW torpedos, & a towed sonar & a much better main radar.
Ananda
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From Xavier sites. Bit confused on where to put it. However decide to put it in French Navy thread, since French Navy seems predicted become the biggest users.
The difference seems more on the range, however the diagram comparison of MICA and MICA NG shown similar dimensions. NG will have different motor, more compact electronics to enable more propelant.
The range 40km, similar to ESSM. Thus it's MBDA answer to the market demand on the range of this class of missile.
They're seems already have launching customer for VL MICA NG
Ananda
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Another Video from Xavier, this time his interview with CEO of General Atomics on EMALS development. I put this video on Marine Nationale thread, since by last third part of Video he's talking on his company EMALS cooperation with French PANG (future CV) program.
Quite interesting when Xavier ask his company rendering of Rafale launch from EMALS on PANG, he's say it's only his company rendering and not shown final design of PANG.
However in my opinion at least they're already got picture from their Partner (Naval Group) on what PANG will be. If the rendering shown close approximation of what PANG will be, it's then in line with previous rendering from Naval Group.
With 3 EMALS, shown PANG will be at least in the range of QE class CV. Thus at least 50% increament in size from current CDG. If PANG also decided as CV not CVN, personally I will be intrigued to see on their power generation set up. Operating 2 or 3 EMALS with conventional power generating will be interested to see how the design set up to achieve that.
John Fedup
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I read somewhere that if the UK switched to the F-35C an extra MT30 could be fitted in for EMALS. I have wondered if a large 2-stroke diesel(s) used in container ships would be suitable for a 70-90k ton carrier together with smaller diesels or GTs?
OldTex
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Well it seems that scrapping the Perle won't be happening. Defense News is reporting that the undamaged aft section of the Perle will be removed and welded to the forward section of the decommissioned Saphir. The cost is reported to be around €120 million. The defense ministry would pay €70 million, and €50 million would be covered by a Naval Group insurance payment.
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Does beg the question though why not just recommission Saphir? As second of the Rubis class (but first to be decommissioned) was there an issue with the propulsion system (including the reactor) which makes marrying the undamaged propulsion from Perle with the forward section of Saphir simpler/cheaper.
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