kirov class battle cruiser
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plasmahawk
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Soviet command ship SSV-33 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anyone know whats the deal on this baby?
Plas
What about the Kapusta? Was it cut up into scrap metal, I wish I knew someone in Vladivostok to ask.... I wonder if it can be converted to anything useful. Or if it is too late, this is a sad ship, had so much potential, but never did what it was meant to do, other than recording cell phone conversations in japan. LOL
Soviet command ship SSV-33 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anyone know whats the deal on this baby?
Plas
Russian wiki says that a tender on dismantling the ship was held in 2008. Judging from the type of ship, it needs a huge and expensive modernization program to function effectively in a modern navy. I don't think the current VMF can afford a ship of that class.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Корабль_ССВ-33_«Урал»
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Корабль_ССВ-33_«Урал»
as I know SevMash is in charge
You mean Kirov? yes it was - but a month ago there was message that Zvezdochka (if i'm not wrong) has been given an order to stop scrapping this cruiser.
If modernizing Lazarev and Kirov (project 1144, Peter the great and Nakhimov are 1144.1) it is also very very expensive and the fact that right now these two ships are without most weapons is plus for them - no need to take off these systems
Yes, you are correct in your above comments.
The only thing I would add is that the old adage the 'steel is cheap and air is free' is still quite relevent today.
Bigger hulls are more sea worthy and have plenty of room for propulsion/ ships electrical supply systems and more importantly room for the increasing size and complexity of electronic warfare/ communication/radar sytems.
Bigger hulls also give you more redundacy in regard to battle damage, and surprisingly bigger hulls have a better ratio of shp to speed than a smaller hull.
But, Russia needs ships that meet her specific future needs, the Cold war scenario is gone, Russia is basically a Continental 'Land' power, and needs a Fleet that can defend the sea lanes around Russia mainly in the ASW and ASuW areas, backed up by the Russian airforce.
Russia SSN's and SSBN's will cover her foreign policy requirements, I personnaly believe that Russia would be wasting good money pursuing a fleet of aircraft carriers.
John Sansom
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Thanks for the comment, Feanor. No offence, but lone bird haiku won't cut it in this instance. I am far from being an expert on these heavy duty vessels, but I really can't see Putin being ready to sell one or more to Indonesia without (a) having immediate and far, far more efficient replacements at hand and (b) without receiving something like 50-p
:ercent of the entire Indonessian GDP in the transaction.Yes..okay. That is a trifle excessive....but Russsia still has some imperialistic blood flowing in her veins and these ships help to keep it "pumped" just by showing the flag. How badly does Putin (and, yes, Medvedyev) need the moneey.
The called-for substantiation would really be helpful.
t68
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What would the Indonesians do with one large of platform such as a Kirov Class when it does not have the mean’s to properly utilize it around the Indonesian Islands?
Indonesia does not have the institutional knowledge for nuclear powered platform although they do have experimental reactors and are studying the possibility of using a nuclear power plant for domestic power generation.
Although a Kirov class is a formidable asset to have it also come with a large cost in weapons and maintence cost which i think would be prohibitive for the Indonesia Navy.
Indonesia does not have the institutional knowledge for nuclear powered platform although they do have experimental reactors and are studying the possibility of using a nuclear power plant for domestic power generation.
Although a Kirov class is a formidable asset to have it also come with a large cost in weapons and maintence cost which i think would be prohibitive for the Indonesia Navy.
John Sansom
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Ta, mate. Bit of bracketing going on there, what with the Baltic countries...and WP?===
------I'd like some sources. And while insider info (which you're implying you have) is appreciated, your credentials here have not been confirmed in any way. I'd be very, very surprised if a Kirov-class makes it's way over to Indonesia.
Later.
Hints: this country has expert in acquiring used warships, fighter jets, armored vehicles. You named it. Even thru a secret operations
Check: Alpha operations in 80s. And another Alpha in 2010
I'm a bit confused. Are you suggesting that a Kirov will be handed over to Indonesia in exchange for rent or outright purchase of an island used for a spaceport? Which Kirov are you talking about? The Pyotr Velikiy is active in the Northern Fleet and will remain that way. Admiral Lazarev is underoing repair and modernization, and will reactivate with the Pacific Fleet. Nakhimov is allegedly in refit at Sevmash right now, and rumor has it, will rejoin the Northern Fleet in 2012. The Admiral Ushakov is slated for scrapping, and supposedly could be sold should someone be willing to pay for bringing it up to workable condition again.
But in all honesty the price tag of repairing the Ushakov will be huge. There are certainly better ways to spend money on Russian naval assets, for Indonesia. Not to mention that operating the ship is kind pointless to begin with. It was designed to handle threats that Indonesia will never face. (and if it does, it will be overwhelmed to the point of it's sole kirov being a large target) Not to mention Indonesia had to take on loans to fund their latest Flanker purchases. And has yet to even put together a real squadron of those.
Additionally, you do realize that there is a currently a new space port under construction in the Russian Far East? And Russian participation in the French space program. And Russia still operates Baikonur (and plans to continue doing so for a long time to come). Not to mention that the Sea-Start and Air-Start space programs for alternative launching means from the back of airplanes, and sea-platforms, are currently in the works. In other words there is very little room for an ambitious project involving an Indonesian island as a space port.
But in all honesty the price tag of repairing the Ushakov will be huge. There are certainly better ways to spend money on Russian naval assets, for Indonesia. Not to mention that operating the ship is kind pointless to begin with. It was designed to handle threats that Indonesia will never face. (and if it does, it will be overwhelmed to the point of it's sole kirov being a large target) Not to mention Indonesia had to take on loans to fund their latest Flanker purchases. And has yet to even put together a real squadron of those.
Additionally, you do realize that there is a currently a new space port under construction in the Russian Far East? And Russian participation in the French space program. And Russia still operates Baikonur (and plans to continue doing so for a long time to come). Not to mention that the Sea-Start and Air-Start space programs for alternative launching means from the back of airplanes, and sea-platforms, are currently in the works. In other words there is very little room for an ambitious project involving an Indonesian island as a space port.
plasmahawk
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Floating nuclear power plant?