JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 / Super-7 Discussions

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SABRE

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

P.A.F said:
Hey SABRE i don't think PN pilots will be different from the PAF. They would train in PAF acadamys but fly in the airforce. i think this because the standards in the PAF are to good to miss out on :D:


hey asohaib i think the JF-17 in terms of manoeuvers is equal or a tiny bit inferior to the F-16 :)
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Ok they can be trained with PAF pilots but they would still have to be navy's own with navy's tag & I think tht would be good. Navel pilots would also have to go under a navel training. They would have to lern sea combat at a minor level too. Just like USNavy plilots , they are whole different ppl from that of USAF.
 
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P.A.F

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Yeah. the pilots can have there own strict devision within the PAF for naval training only. that would be good because there getting abit of both :). i think that the current mirages should be turned into navy aircraft and they can work along side the new JF-17s. they both have excellent air to surface attack abilities :)
 
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ashoaib

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without AC carrier is it possibloe to build naval air force? now india have two carriers we should buy one but i think it is too expensive to buy and operate. Admiral Gorshkov cost about a billion.
 
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Revival_786

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If Pak needs one of course it will get one eventually but India has water on 3 sides and Pak has water on 1 side so I see little point investing in a AC carrier. :)

Maybe a long-range variant of the JF-17 with conformal fuel tanks might be the answer...
 
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adsH

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right now the Pak military is conserving limited resources by utilizing one Air operator, when you have multiple ones you have higher costs, to operate there HR departments Admin cost there Training etc. PAF can do the Job fine, in the UK RAF operates jointly with British Navy and i see nothing wrong with that every one plays a part in National defense.

the More Fragmented divisions you have the more Communication is required more personnel are required to maintain assets and utilize them, Less integrated the force is and less Responsive ie less Effective the force becomes. there are more loop hole that can lead to corruption and misuse of resources.

Get my point here guys !! PAF is doing fine just fine they safe guard intruders from the Eastern side (intruders from the Land ) and they Guard any intruders from the Sea. They provide CAS to ARMY when needed
 
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Oqaab

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Revival_786 said:
If Pak needs one of course it will get one eventually but India has water on 3 sides and Pak has water on 1 side so I see little point investing in a AC carrier. :)

Maybe a long-range variant of the JF-17 with conformal fuel tanks might be the answer...
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Purchasing aircraft carriar will be stupidity. Tankers should be purchased instead. The JF-17 with Inflight refuleing probe would be enough to carry missions inside enemy's teritory.

CFTs will decrease its maneuverbility. Range of 3000 km is enough for a fighter like JF-17. The basic version of MiG-29 had a range of 2900 km. Rafale, Gripen have similar range as JF-17. Also, they are 4th generation tactical fighters and JF-17 is a 3rd generation medium fighter.
 
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Roger Smith

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

ashoaib said:
without AC carrier is it possibloe to build naval air force? now india have two carriers we should buy one but i think it is too expensive to buy and operate. Admiral Gorshkov cost about a billion.
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Most powerful navies in the world have AC carrier, I see no reason why Pakistan should not have one of its own AC carrier. :smokingc:

Royal Thailand Navy had once a ex-Spanish AC carrier.
 
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P.A.F

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

it just needs somthing that can go long range so we can can keep enemies off our waters :smokingc:
 
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adsH

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

P.A.F said:
it just needs somthing that can go long range so we can can keep enemies off our waters :smokingc:
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you don't need an aircraft carrier, its waste of resources and capability, would cost alot to maintain and another hassle the PN can do without.
 
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SABRE

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Guys do u knw how much PNS Baber costs when it moves arround. I dont knw either :D: but I knw it costs quite alot. Way alot. Ships are big so they need high cost maintainance & dont forget the patrolium.
Anyways Pakistan doesnt need an aircraft careers. Navy Jets can take off from land base established on the sea coast like in Karachi Korangi. They can take of from there to assist the naval ships & to increase the range in air refueling system should be put on in JF-17 (which is going to be)


We dont need to go all the way arround our eastern neighbour & attack them with fighter Jets. We have Belistic Missiles for that. Besides why should we attack the far eastern side of our eastern enemy when we no longer have the part of our country over there any more.

So its better to let JF-17 Naval version to fly off from land. On the other hand naval JF-17 would still have to be capabale of landing & taking off from aircraft career, cause China might also use it for its navy. J-10 cant do that can they?
 
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P.A.F

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

Originally posted by P.A.F:
it just needs somthing that can go long range so we can can keep enemies off our waters


you don't need an aircraft carrier, its waste of resources and capability, would cost alot to maintain and another hassle the PN can do without.
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sorry adsh i think you misunderstood. i didn't say buy an aircraft carrier . what i ment was we need a fighter thet can go far enough to protect our par of the sea ;)

imagine a little air base based in karachi clifton beach SABRE :D:
 
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adsH

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yeah i know but i was adding somthing to the conversation, i'm sorry if i referred to you in-person, i never meant to. Yeas i agree Longer range Ac geared towards Sea operation sounds good. :D:
 
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SABRE

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

P.A.F said:
Originally posted by P.A.F:
it just needs somthing that can go long range so we can can keep enemies off our waters


you don't need an aircraft carrier, its waste of resources and capability, would cost alot to maintain and another hassle the PN can do without.
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sorry adsh i think you misunderstood. i didn't say buy an aircraft carrier . what i ment was we need a fighter thet can go far enough to protect our par of the sea ;)

imagine a little air base based in karachi clifton beach SABRE :D:
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:D: Well if u dont want an aircraft career than you need a land base.

I dint say that small air craft will fly & come back on its own. I said JF-17 should have in-air refueling capability. Basicaly we r saying the same thing PAF. Only thing that can make JF-17 go far enough to protect our par of sea is in-air refueling capability. So it takes of from Karachi coast & get refueled in the air and move ahead. & PAF there is no air-force base at clifton. One is at Sharaei Faisal, One is at Korangi Creek (Coastal Base) & than there are many more.

I dont know whats going. Why is every one miss judging each other. :help
 
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P.A.F

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thats what i ment SABRE. i never said we had a base in clifton i said IMAGINE :D: then again we got Korangi Creek. we are not misjudging anyone. :). now lets add some flavour to this topic and make it a regular thread ;)
 
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Deltared075

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

adsH said:
SABRE said:
Is Russian Mikoyan Aero-Science Production Group involved in JF17 projetc?

This artical say it does: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/JF-17
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they were in the Early stages of the program when the chinese needed help so i guess the Russians gave all the research and designs of the Mig35 (i believe). teh Russians helped modify te platform too.
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The Russian give technical help by referring to the single engine Mig-33 design which rejected by the Russian which prefer twin engine fighter.
 
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SABRE

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Re: FC-1 / Super 7 / JF-17

So did the Chinese modify the design or kept it as the Russians gave it to them. Bet Russians would like to see JF-17 perform. This might give them Idea what MIG-35 could have been capabel of doing.
 
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adsH

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the russians made money out of the assistance they provided the Chinese with, they got the chinese input on the project. this is research, that will help them improve the next generation of Russain AC. so if Pakistan provided F-16 tech (Unlikely) to China the Russians would probably know too.
 
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mysterious

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That very well could be a possibility the Russians might have gained some insight to western tech through that falcon.
 
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