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Japan Air Self-Defence Force

Discussion in 'Air Force & Aviation' started by t68, Jun 8, 2015.

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  1. t68

    t68 Active Member

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    As I looked I could not find a JASDF thread my apologies if there is one,

    It appears that Japan has ordered 4x E2D Advanced Hawkeye for 1.7B USD, what I cant ascertain are these replacements or in addition to the current fleet,

    Once these new aircraft enter service can the remaining aircraft be rebuilt to E2D standards or do these need to be replaced as well?
     
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    The new planes will augment the E2Cs. I am guessing an upgrade program was not considered economically viable as compared to a new purchase. The USN is replacing its fleet of Cs with Ds.
     
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    According to MoD website, Japanese E-2C's electronics were updated to Hawkeye 2000 level (no NP2000 propeller) about 10 years ago. I do not know the reason they did not go for complete package. Maybe cost? Or did not think about China and East China Sea? IMO another example of myopia.

    in Japanese (not linked so please copy, paste & add w w w. slowly approaching 10)

    mod.go.jp/asdf/equipment/keikaiki/E-2C/

    These additional E-2D's probably will be based in Okinawa.


    I read in a paper, Asahi (another yellow rag btw), that Airbus decided not to bid on 3 tankers. So, Boeing wins this $1B contract by default. I thought MRTT had better performance (further distance with more fuel). Japan already has 4 KC-767J's and 4 E-767's, so logistics wise KC-46's will be little easier on them. However, Japan has a tendency to throw in a requirement which cripples many bidders. So, this may have been the case.
     
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    swerve Super Moderator

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    Airbus basically said "the requirement's rigged against us, so we won't waste time & money by bidding". In more diplomatic language, of course.
     
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    Thanks! This confirmed my feeling regarding an innocuous local content requirement causing havoc on some bidders. Politicians need to be reelected and bureaucrats will support them. So, bidders probably will be Sikorsky/Mitsubishi, AugustaWestland/Kawasaki, and Bell/Fuji. At least it won't be a single bid like tankers. I thought if Airbus can sell A350 to JAL, then it should try to sell MRTT to JASDF.
     
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    The contract has been awarded for the first of three of the JASDF KC-46 aircraft with a value of US$279 million. There is a difference in the reported contract value for the first aircraft. Defense News states that it is US$289 million, with the total contract being estimated at US$1.9 billion.
     
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    MrConservative Super Moderator Staff Member

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    The JASDF are currently looking at the EA-18G as EW is an area where they have a capability gap. The KC-46 will eventually be capable of providing congruence to this beyond capability being a mere tanker.
     
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    Does seem a little odd, However the C2 does have a significantly greater range, AAR and a huge internal volume. If they are using several different mission modules this would also make sensible as it would be easy to swap them.
     
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    The JASDF doesn't operate any P-1, so using the C-2 benefits logistics IMO.

    The JMSDF also has its own fleet of electronic warfare aircraft (P-3). IIRC, the Global Hawks (or another UAV) were supposed to fill in some of their roles after retirement. Saving the JMSDF the burden of finding 1-on-1 replacements.
     
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    ngatimozart Super Moderator Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    The JMSDF do operate the P-1 and there is some commonality between the P-1 and C-2. If it was decided to build a P-1 ELINT variant then there is no reason why the JASDF or the JMSDF operate it.
     
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    Except that's how they do it: JASDF & JMSDF have separate areas of responsibility, & separate fleets of aircraft. The JMSDF operates the P-3C for ELINT, alongside its MPA & optical recce P-3Cs, & the JASDF operates a C-1 alongside its C-1 transports, & a few YS-11s, which I think are now the last YS-11s in the JASDF but which used to operate alongside YS-11 transports. Yes, they could change the way they do things, but I doubt the JASDF would be happy to hand over all its EW capacity to the JMSDF, & it wouldn't make logistical sense for the JASDF to operate a handful of P-1s while the JMSDF operated the other 90% of the fleet.
     
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