gazzzwp
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I have not read every post in this thread, that being said, I would like to make one small point
Should the US bomb Iran, or should the US invade an Island of Iran, then Iran is probably going to take that as an act of war.
What happens in 2 years or so, if the war is still ongoing and Iran succeeds in making 4 or 5 a-bombs. First they test one underground, so the world knows where they stand.
Next Iran wants an end to the war and an end to sanctions, otherwise is goes further. What happens is Iran smuggles a few a-bombs into US cities via Canada, Mexico, semi-submersible rendevousing with a fishing boat. A container is a container ship that docks in a US port. What happens if they lob a long range artillery shell into a US military base in Kuwait? Ever heard of nuclear artillery?
All these things are not purely military matters to stop, they are intelligence matters. A suitcase bomb is the size of a suitcase. Think you can stop all of them? The US is trying to stop drugs getting into its country, how much do they stop, maybe half? maybe less.
I was watching the TV show cops the other day. There was a Mexican caught trying to get into the US. Big deal you say. But the thing is that he had a job and a family in teh US. It had been so easy for him to travel back and forth, that he would regulary go visit his family in Mexico before coming back across the border. They would wait for a day with lots of fog, the helicopters couldn't see anything, sure the ground patrols get a few, but how many ..60 percent?
What happens is Iranians fly a cessna across the border and drop a suitcase a-bomb at night into a lake, to be collected weeks or months later. Think you are likely to stop that? Iranians are going to blend into the populace of the US a lot better than North Koreans, simply via their looks. No doubt they would be exceptionally well trained. Years of training for one single mission, infiltrate the US and carry out your instructions.
How many years have we heard stories of Columbians running semi-submersibles to meet small boats off the US coast, Crewed be 3 or 4, but these days unmanned and programmed by GPS. They were running for years before they even interdicted the first one.
What happens if the bomb is on a sailing yacht, that meets with a fishing boat 15 miles out to sea at night, with good intelligence you might stop it, militarily is very very difficult. Are you going to search every yacht sailing to the US at 200 miles out?
There are more ways of deploying an a-bomb that via an ICBM.
You might be able to stop most of them, but in no ways are you going to stop them all. Hey the Iranians might be nice, they might just use their suitcase bomb to blow up a fleet base, or NSA headquarters, and not detonate it in the middle of Manhattan.
What is your stop for that? The only shot you have in your locker is say to the Iranians, if you detonate an a-bomb we will nuke you all. What are you going to do, kill 75 million people? What happens next? Any Iranian agents will no doubt use their dozen a-bombs and blow up a dozen cities, After that no problem, they dont have any a-bombs left.... hey no big deal.
My point is that if you bomb Iran, that is an act of war. If you declare war on someone you cant expect them to play nice.
I totally agree with everything you have said. The science of nuclear enrichment has spread prolifically in Iran and God only knows what the consequences of that will be. I agree that Nato could annihilate millions of Iranians but to what end? Long before that happens, nuclear material will end up in dozens of terrorist cells and sympathetic organisations worldwide, and the problem just multiplies from there.
Pandora's box has been opened and that is the real problem. A large or small scale conflict would not be the end of the matter and the US Government and the military powers around the world know this. It should have been stopped ten years ago; it's gone on for too long.
So what do we do? If we do nothing they develop the technology even further. Impose more sanctions and risk the consequences of the above scenario. Bomb them and risk the above scenario.
Having thought about this long and hard, and at times myself actually wanting to see a military engagement to bring the Iranians to heal, I realise it will not achieve anything. The answer if there is one lies with Russia and China with whom Iran may wish to negotiate.
By analogy it's a bit like a disaffected school child who is abusive to staff, does not comply with school rules, deliberately flunk's exams, refuses to do homework, and seeks solace with others of his /her type. Is Ahmadinejad not in the process of building ties with the Venezuelans?
School teachers know that pressure, threats and denial of privileges will not turn a child round; it needs a third party role model; someone from the same backyard to act as a persuasive force.
When you have such a comprehensively determined and well planned scheme such as the Iranians have executed for the last 10 years it is extremely difficult to defeat. They seem to have catered for every eventuality and are determined to see this thing through regardless of how long it takes.
I predict that Israel will act out of shear desperation very soon.