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r0m8470

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@ Anan
KT 1 being used for Intermediate training, Grob being used as Basic training, and A-29 is OV-10 replacement for COIN and Survailance. Those three are not competing planes, they are for each different functions. KT 1 is basically T-34 Mentor replacements, thus they are not armed versions, which can't be used for COIN engagements. Before OV-10 replacement being choosed, KAI already offered KT 1 armed version for COIN duty (KO 1), but it's still in concept thus TNI-AU decided to go for proven Super Tucano (A-29).
So far, TNI-AU already see this as ballanced approach, and basically those planes are not for new functions, but only replacing older planes in existing functions. Grob replacing AS 202, KT 1 replacing T-34, and A29 replacing OV10. It's a proven concept on turboprop used in TNI-AU, and they see it as working sollution. Thus they are not reinventing the wheel, only using same method with newer planes.
Looks like the AF also have lots of Grob on inventory, preparations for more pilots, which is good. Those 2 new alleged fighter squadrons need to be manned somehow.

For CAS and strategic air strikes and flight training; wouldn't turboprops appear to be ideal? Shouldn't Indonesia buy several more turboprops? Indonesia appears to have three options options:
--Grob G 120TP
--KAI KT-1 Woongbi
--Embraer EMB 314 A29s
Questions:
a) Why does Indonesia have three competing skews? Isn't Indonesia better off consolidating turboprops into one or two skews?
Different functions. Skews? You mean SKU (Stock Keeping Unit)? Type probably is more appropriate term.

To add to Ananda's response: don't think you can make a Grob does what A29 does, and vice versa. Different tools for different purpose.

Thanks for the earlier response too Ananda. My observation about doctrine is more on the application and employment of the weapons systems that the AF have. The SUs are capable of ADA supression and maritime strike, but so far the AF seems to be content using them as bomb trucks. Is flying them as bomb truck still viable in the face of medium to high intensity setting aka repealing a maritime borne surface strike fleet? Understand the limitation and impracticality of dedicated role with limited budget - good point.
 

Ananda

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South Korea confirms potential Indonesian withdrawal from fighter programme | Jane's 360

ROK DAPA seems aknowledged there are more on just Indonesian payment delayed on KFX/IFX project. Publicly, Indonesian President still shown support for Indonesian continuation on the projects. At same time talk coming from mindef on evaluating the feasibility of that project

Also the Indonesian government already pouring additional money to DI for Infrastructure supporting potential manufacturing in Indonesia. Eurofighter and SAAB already made known publicly that they can cooperate with DI on using those facility for assembly and part manufacturing for Typhoon and Gripen respectively.

Well we'll see how this turn out. I my self sees more politicking domestically on this project. Some report already leaked to public that some political faction ask Mindef first to botch budget process for the project, and when Ministry of Finance already preparing the budget (again) this year, then come some thinking from Mindef to revaluate the projects feasibility.

Too many politics..
 

Sandhi Yudha

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South Korea confirms potential Indonesian withdrawal from fighter programme | Jane's 360

ROK DAPA seems aknowledged there are more on just Indonesian payment delayed on KFX/IFX project. Publicly, Indonesian President still shown support for Indonesian continuation on the projects. At same time talk coming from mindef on evaluating the feasibility of that project

Also the Indonesian government already pouring additional money to DI for Infrastructure supporting potential manufacturing in Indonesia. Eurofighter and SAAB already made known publicly that they can cooperate with DI on using those facility for assembly and part manufacturing for Typhoon and Gripen respectively.

Well we'll see how this turn out. I my self sees more politicking domestically on this project. Some report already leaked to public that some political faction ask Mindef first to botch budget process for the project, and when Ministry of Finance already preparing the budget (again) this year, then come some thinking from Mindef to revaluate the projects feasibility.

Too many politics..
The problem is always the lack of political willingness.
I hope they can make quickly a decision, continue or cancel and then switching to another project, like licence-production of the JAS-39NG or EF2000, or the production of parts and components of these aircrafts and assembling the kits delivered from Saab or Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug.
 
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anan

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Ananda and Sandhi Yudha and others; what do you think Indonesia should do with air procurment?

My view is that Indonesia should buy more light attack multifunctional turboprops for training, ISR and CAS than currently planned. The 4.5 gen aircraft's primary function should be air superiority. Which aircraft should Indonesia choose for this?

Out there thoughts:
  • Why are F-16s out of the question?
  • Why are Sukhoi Su 35s out of the question? Can Indonesia do what India is doing; perhaps in collaboration with Russia and India?
  • Why exactly is Indonesia thinking of backing out of KAI KF-X?
 

STURM

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Can Indonesia do what India is doing; perhaps in collaboration with Russia and India?
India has economics of scale; Indonesia doesn't. Getting involved in a long term venture with a foreign partner to develop a fighter is a very costly undertaking which requires a firm commitment from the government and a huge up front capital outlay. India is also able to equip the aircraft with various indigenous systems [like what was done with the Su-30MKI].
 

tonnyc

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Ananda and Sandhi Yudha and others; what do you think Indonesia should do with air procurment?
My view is that Indonesia should buy more light attack multifunctional turboprops for training, ISR and CAS than currently planned. The 4.5 gen aircraft's primary function should be air superiority. Which aircraft should Indonesia choose for this?
I'm not them but yeah, sure, more turboprops are nice. As for which, ideally these:
Training: Grob-120 and KT-1
CAS: EMB-314
ISR: CN-235 and NC-212 with appropriate ISR kits.

Basically for turboprops, Indonesia should stick with the current types. They are suitable for the job. Just get more.

As for the rest of your questions,
F-16 is not excluded. Su-35 is not excluded. It's just that Sandhi Yudha thinks Gripen and Typhoons are the likelier candidates. I disagree with his assessment though. Production of Typhoons in Indonesia isn't going to happen. The amount of money needed will be too big that parliament will vote it down and divert the funding to various pet projects. For the same reason Gripen's chance is very small, but at least Gripen's cost wouldn't be as high as Typhoon's.
As for the KFX, the Defense Minister is a poopyhead. That's all.
 

Ananda

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Just to add something in here. Indonesian politicians just like their counterpart in India now domestically selling the idea on 'domestics industry participation'. India has 'made in India first'..similar idea for defense industry in Indonesia is also being 'sell' to domestic publics.

Indonesia is not the first on getting more 'self sustained' mode on defense industry, we can see from India, Turkey, ROK, even Australia there are political movement to get as much as possible on getting local industry participations on defense.

Problem is Indonesia try this on lower threshold of 'Economics of Scale' thus for some tech like Aerospace it's prices is just too much. There's where KFX come to. ROK ambitions on aerospace also being face on economics scale numbers, thus need partner to make it more international flavour.

Despite that, this will take times and much development, and also Tech issue since neither ROK and Indonesia can provide all or much of the tech indigenously. Come on the line, political changes both in ROK and Indonesia can much influences the progress.

Reading this, some Euro suppliers like Eurojet/Airbus and SAAB, seems see the potential that KFX/IFX progress can face problem along the way, and offered alternative to get Indonesian Industry participation on local assembly on 'political' prestigious fighter projects.

In short, politics now demand in some countries on local industry participation on defense projects. This in turn will determine what assets that going to be procured, not simply on basis on commonality, logistics, or suitability..
 

Ahmad

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  • Why exactly is Indonesia thinking of backing out of KAI KF-X?
Indonesia is thinking of backing out the program according to my opinion is due to the fact that US doesnt want to let Indonesian Fighter Experiment (IFX) having RAM (Radar Absorbing Material) and internal weapon bays. IFX will be KFX block 1 and KFX own by Korea will be KFX block 2. There is news written by Flight Global talking about this leak information from sources on South Korea.

But until Today Indonesia is still on the program and we just want to renegotiate. It needs to be renegotiated because Indonesia as a partner is not equally treated by South Korea. Why dont we get those STEALTH fiture like them....?

We also need to have more TOT since we have contributed so far and promise to buy at least 50, even the latest news said that Indonesia is committed to buy 80 planes (flight global). So not only we have contributed engineers and money, we also committed to buy those plane until 80, it means we deserve more

Talking about US part on this issue, US needs to think that if US wants us to be sided with them in US vs China world. We need to have those STEALTH fiture in order for us to balance China in South China Sea. I dont know why US dont treat us just like his buddies who have a common rival.

There is also this reason, I believe it has in both parties, Indonesia and South Korea :

Those unequal treatment make some Minister of Defense officials who is against this program since the beginning due to its closeness with foreign aircraft maker some kind of reason to terminate the program. Thats why they "forgot" to pay which is not a false of Indonesian government as a whole but only ministry of defense false, thats why our finance minister scold ministry of defense for that.

In the end there is still a genuine reason backed by professional people in Minister of Defense and Armed forces to have equally treatment on the project as I said earlier. So we need those RAM, internal weapon bays and "proper" Transfer of Technology.


It is the reason of why Indonesia is still wanting to have this program progresses, so thats why we try to renegotiate rather than just pulling out :

Indonesia is backing KFX IFX is due to the dream to build its own fighter jet. Indonesia actually has made two research on LAPAN on designing fighter jet. You can try to find the picture on google by typing LFX (Lapan Fighter Experiment). As a big nation, number 4 biggest based on population, number 3 biggest democracy in the world, big land mass, there is something in Indonesian mind that is similar like China and India, which is we want to be a big nation, a nation that can build modern thing like tank, missile, jet fighter, satellite and so on. It is politically correct to make one, people will support, so there should be no worries on the finance if the leader is really serious to realize this plan.

So the reason of why we back KFX/IFX is due to that reason. As you know we have sent around 82 engineers to back this program, we also have sent around 5 Indonesian fighter pilot into our university to learn about how to make a plane so that they can be a test pilot of KFX/IFX. There will be one prototype that will be own by Indonesian Aerospace. By having around 5 test pilot specializing on jet fighter means that we will try to develop the plane further by ourselves or even make another one like continuing LFX design and make it into a real jet fighter. Of course building a jet fighter alone can be very expensive, I rather see that we will cooperate even in the future, except there is a very ambitious leader that we have in the future.

If you see our MEF (Minimum Essential Forces) for jet fighter there are around 7 new fighter squadrons that should be created before 2024. Of course it sounds to be quite optimistic if we talk about 2024 time frame. I rather see we will just replace older squadrons with a new type of fighter which are F 5 Tiger and Hawk 200 until 2024 due to budget constrain. In a period of 2024-2035 there will be more budget for our defense in my opinion as I believe that at least we will keep growing our economy into 5-7 % for the next 10 years that will make our GDP to be near or even exceed 2 trillion USD near 2030 inshaALLAH.

Those 7 new squadrons should be filled with a deathly fighter (5 generation) with higher participation and contribution from our local defense sector industry. It should be done like that because filling 7 new squadron with 5 generation fighter is not cheap, we talk about billions of dollar. So those billions of dollar should add value into our economy and industry as well, so we dont just importing those jet. By having KFX IFX it means there is Indonesia design participation on it, there will be part like wing that will be made here, there will be local assembling, there will be locally upgrading, and we also can make customization like in IFF and some avionics like cockpit. So there will be also Indonesian electronics industry that can participate like PT LEN and others.

7 new squadron means more than 100 jet fighter, and since we have a law that prohibit buying foreign defense product if we can produce that at home, it means KFX IFX will (potentially) fully fulfill those need without other foreign aircraft participation. And Talking about having 5 generation fighter within 2024 above is something that is necessary. Even we have already acquired Su 35 which is 4.5 generation before 2020.

I also want to add something here, our stake in KFX IFX is only 20 % financially but in term of design it is more than that, thats why our engineers number are higher which is 30 percent. During the first phase of development 2011-2014 there are 37 Indonesian participating on research, resulting in C 103 design, On that period there is no KAI engineers contribution since KAI just start participating from 2016 when they got the contract. We just cooperate with South Korea DAPA to make C 103 design.

Having a jet fighter that has our own contribution on design and stake (20%) also means that there will be less opposition from parliament and people to acquire a huge number of jet fighter (7 squadrons). Unlike India, we dont have powerful enemy in South East Asia region, yes there is China but the relationship is not as savire as India vs China. There will be some kind of value added into the economy, industry, and nation image if we acquire a jet fighter that we have contributed and has stake on it. So having KFX IFX is needed to fulfill our previous plan to have at least 7 new fighter squadrons.

And talking about having 7 jet fighter squadrons within 2030-2035 time frame I rather see it as quite necessary due to geopolitical reason. China will be very powerful at that time, USA will be less powerful (due to its debt and trade deficit with China). And those gap should be filled by Indonesia, the only regional power in South East Asia, to create balance on the region.

We also should understand that China I believe will be more integrated into South East Asia region due to its nine dash line map with those man made island will have already been finished, developed, and become China modern military base during that time. China naval power, including their aircraft carrier (I bet there will be seven in 2030) will be patrolling near our Natuna island and into our international water. We should be ready for that "new world landscape."
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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I'm not them but yeah, sure, more turboprops are nice. As for which, ideally these:
Training: Grob-120 and KT-1
CAS: EMB-314
ISR: CN-235 and NC-212 with appropriate ISR kits.

Basically for turboprops, Indonesia should stick with the current types. They are suitable for the job. Just get more.

As for the rest of your questions,
F-16 is not excluded. Su-35 is not excluded. It's just that Sandhi Yudha thinks Gripen and Typhoons are the likelier candidates. I disagree with his assessment though. Production of Typhoons in Indonesia isn't going to happen. The amount of money needed will be too big that parliament will vote it down and divert the funding to various pet projects. For the same reason Gripen's chance is very small, but at least Gripen's cost wouldn't be as high as Typhoon's.
As for the KFX, the Defense Minister is a poopyhead. That's all.
Im afraid that is also go to happen, large acquisitions are very unique the last decades. Just take a look to the variety of short-range-low altitude air defence systems (often cheap manpads) in small numbers, like the Rheinmetall Rh-202 20 mm twin-guns, ZUR-23-2KG with the GROM missiles, the Type 85 twin 23 mm guns, Mistral, Shin-gung/Chiron, QW-3, RBS-70, Starstreak, Skyshield.

Only recently there are plans to order the NASAMS....but only the empty system, without the missiles!

"Basically for turboprops, Indonesia should stick with the current types. They are suitable for the job. Just get more."
Totally agree.
 
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Ahmad

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Indonesia wants to renegotiate KFX fighter project
Jon Grevatt, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Industry
01 May 2018

Indonesia is looking to renegotiate the financial agreement through which it is participating in a programme with South Korea to develop the Korean Fighter Xperiment/Indonesia Fighter Xperiment (KFX/IFX) aircraft.

He also confirmed Indonesia’s access to related technologies had been restricted due to export controls applied by the US government.

“The renegotiation is necessary to make clear Indonesia’s gain from the programme [because] the project is financed with funds from the state budget,” Brig Gen Sugiharto said. Commenting on US restrictions, he added, “There is equipment that should not be given to us.”

Despite the barriers, Brig Gen Sugiharto said he expected the joint programme to continue.


Indonesia wants to renegotiate KFX fighter project | Jane's 360
 
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Ahmad

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Im afraid that is also go to happen, large acquisitions are very unique the last decades. Just take a look to the variety of short-range-low altitude air defence systems (often cheap manpads) in small numbers, like the Rheinmetall Rh-202 20 mm twin-guns, ZUR-23-2KG with the GROM missiles, the Type 85 twin 23 mm guns, Mistral, Shin-gung/Chiron, QW-3, RBS-70, Starstreak, Skyshield.

Only recently there are plans to order the NASAMS....but only the empty system, without the missiles!

"Basically for turboprops, Indonesia should stick with the current types. They are suitable for the job. Just get more."
Totally agree.
AIM 120 C-7. It will be bought in 2018 according to 2018 defense budget. NASAM acquisition is not a plan anymore, it has already been a contract.
 

Ahmad

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Nurtanio Planes Made by PTDI Sold 75 Units at Singapore Airshow


SINGAPORE, presidentpost.com –
The Aircraft N219 aka Nurtanio made by PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) attracted a lot of attention in the aerospace exhibition Singapore Airshow 2018. Orders for this aircraft kept flowing.

PTDI Production Director Arie Wibowo said the Nurtanio plane was selling well at the Singapore Airshow. He received orders for 75 units of the aircraft.


Nurtanio Planes Made by PTDI Sold 75 Units at Singapore Airshow - The President Post
 
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Ahmad

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Surabaya, 25 September 2017

The Development of KFX/IFX Fighter Aircrafts, PT DI Visits Infoglobal
Marketing Infoglobal

This program is also an inspection towards Infoglobal competencies and readiness in the development of KFX/IFX aircraft. By visiting Infoglobal, PT DI as Indonesian Industrial Participant (IIP) pointed by government through Balitbang Kemhan could depict about potential sectors and review the national readiness to manufacture fighter aircraft.

Infoglobal as one of defense industries capable of developing and manufacturing aircraft avionics. Ahmad Fauzi, Infoglobal Marketing Representative, in this chance, explains about avionics that are developed and made by Infoglobal. Those avionics are Miniature Standard Central Air Data Computer (MSCADC) that can been used on F-5. Digital Video Recorder (DVR) installed on F-5, F-16, Hawk 100 and Hawk 200 fighter aircrafts. Multi Purpose Cockpit Display (MPCD) and Inertial Navigation System/Global Navigation Satellite System (INS/GNSS) that can be used in Hawk 100/200 fighter aircraft. Rear Cockpit Monitor (RCM) used in Hawk 100. Also Weapon Control Board (WCB), Weapon Programming Instrument (WPI) and Radar Monitor Unit (RMU) that can be used in Hawk 200.

Infoglobal also develops mission system for Maritime Patrol Aircraft. The mission system is named Tactical Patrol Mission.

Not only avionics, Ahmad Fauzi also explains that Infoglobal also produce defense application, named Soyus Wargaming System used by Air Force Staff and Command School (Seskoau) to train strategic and military operation plans.

Besides that, Infoglobal also has competencies in radar data processing by developing Transmission Data Air Situation (TDAS). TDAS is a aircraft traffic monitoring system that integrates civil and military radars and this system has been used by National Air Defence Command (Kohanudnas).

Col. Tech. Dedi Laksmono said that with this inspection hoped the development and manufacturing KFX/IFX fighter aircrafts later can implement the requirement of Tingkat Kandungan Dalam Negeri (TKDN) that should reach minimum of 40%. Those can be implemented by involving domestic defense industries, one of them is Infoglobal. (lft)

infoglobal.co.id
 
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Ahmad

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India has economics of scale; Indonesia doesn't. Getting involved in a long term venture with a foreign partner to develop a fighter is a very costly undertaking which requires a firm commitment from the government and a huge up front capital outlay. India is also able to equip the aircraft with various indigenous systems [like what was done with the Su-30MKI].
Indonesia is also trying to feed their IFX (if successful) with several indigenous system and talking about KFX I believe money is not a problem. If it is a problem why then Joko Widodo pure huge money into Police Force so that Our Armed Forces even have a relatively equal budget with our Police Force.....? Joko Widodo have double the Police Budget. IFX budget is so small compared to the hike Police have recently from Joko Widodo.

Old story

IF-X cockpit configuration on show [ID14D2]

06 November 2014




Indonesian avionics specialist Infoglobal is showing off a potential cockpit configuration for the IF-X advanced fighter that is being developed by Indonesia and Korea. Versions for both nations will employ the same core computer architecture, but additional elements of the avionics suite will be provided by local companies. Infoglobal has been selected to provide the systems for Indonesia’s IF-X version.

IF-X cockpit configuration on show [ID14D2] | Jane's 360

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Another possible Indonesian instrument on IFX (if the project is successful) is IFF

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Defense Minister Thanks Len for IFF Systems Product First Article (FA) 2016

System IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) PT Len Industri symbolically handed over by the Director General of the Ministry of Defense Pothan, Sutrimo (Director General of Defense Potential Ministry of Defense) to the Minister of Defense Ryamizard Ryacudu at the Ministry of Defense on February 14, 2017. The system that was developed by the Len engineers previously been operated in KRI kinds Van Speijk since 2016.

In support of CMS (Combat Management System), which was also created by Len, IFF system has a function to find out which friends and enemies in time of war.


https://www.len.co.id/menteri-pertahanan-terima-sistem-iff-len-sebagai-produk-article-fa-2016/
 
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Todjaeger

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Nurtanio Planes Made by PTDI Sold 75 Units at Singapore Airshow

SINGAPORE, presidentpost.com –
The Aircraft N219 aka Nurtanio made by PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) attracted a lot of attention in the aerospace exhibition Singapore Airshow 2018. Orders for this aircraft kept flowing.

PTDI Production Director Arie Wibowo said the Nurtanio plane was selling well at the Singapore Airshow. He received orders for 75 units of the aircraft.

“Yes, there are orders for 75 units of Nurtanio planes,” he said on Sunday (2/25).

Most of the orders have been sealed on the Letter of Intent (LoI). The buyers are interested in Nutraino for its many advantages.

The N219 aircraft, named Nurtaino by President Joko Widodo, indeed have remarkable sophistications, even better than the similar aircraft made by companies overseas.

This Bandung-made in plane has the ability to reach remote areas with passenger capacity up to 19 people with spacious cabins.

The N219 aircraft can be used to transport civilian passengers, military purposes, freight or cargo, medical evacuation, to assistance in the natural disasters. With these advantages, the plane is also cheaper than the similar aircraft of Twin Otter.

The N219 has a maximum speed of 210 knots, and the lowest speed of 59 knots. This means that the speed is low enough but the plane can still be controlled; this is important especially when maneuvering in the cliffs and mountains.

The Bandung-made in aircraft is equipped with two Pratt & Whitney Aircraft of Canada Limited PT6A-42 engines, each is powered 850 SHP and is also equipped with Hartzell 4-Blade Metal Propeller.

The N219 aircraft is capable to carry the loads of up to 7,030 kilograms at take-off and 6,940 kilograms on landing. The speed of N219 aircraft can reach 210 knots with economic speed of 190 knots. (DTK/TPP)

Nurtanio Planes Made by PTDI Sold 75 Units at Singapore Airshow - The President Post
Interesting aircraft. If the aircraft does get foreign type certification then the design could see utilization among nations with a utility airlifter requirement. Especially if the design has comparable STOL and rough field performance as the similarly sized Twin Otter.

It would also be interesting to see if maritime patrol/surveillance and/or fixed-wing SAR variants could be developed. Even better would be to have a version with a side-loading freight door developed which could allow the interior seating to be reconfigured depending on mission needs. Need MPS or SAR, load in a pair of workstations for a maritime search radar and E/O system along with seats for observers. Need an aero-medical ambulance, load in seating that can be folded into a place to hold litters, and so on.
 

Ahmad

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Interesting aircraft. If the aircraft does get foreign type certification then the design could see utilization among nations with a utility airlifter requirement. Especially if the design has comparable STOL and rough field performance as the similarly sized Twin Otter.

It would also be interesting to see if maritime patrol/surveillance and/or fixed-wing SAR variants could be developed. Even better would be to have a version with a side-loading freight door developed which could allow the interior seating to be reconfigured depending on mission needs. Need MPS or SAR, load in a pair of workstations for a maritime search radar and E/O system along with seats for observers. Need an aero-medical ambulance, load in seating that can be folded into a place to hold litters, and so on.
Yup, it has been designed to be better than Twin Otter with less price. And you are right this plane has also been designed for various military role including maritime patrol and SAR beside its civilian role. You can check various role it has:

  • Passenger Transport
  • Troop Transport
  • Cargo/Logistic Transport
  • Medical Evacuation
  • Surveillance and patrolling
  • Search and Rescue
  • Certification basis CASR 23, Commuter Category
  • Twin engine with 850 SHP each
  • Hot and high airfield capability
  • Short Take-off and Landing (STOL) operation
  • Take-off and landing on unpaved runway capabilities
  • Fixed landing gear
  • High wing configuration
  • Un-pressurized cabin
  • Advanced and modern avionics suite
  • Multi hop capability and quick change configuration
The best thing about this plane is that this plane is a way for a new designer to learn how to design a plane from the blank paper while being supervised and lead by very experience designer who has experience in developing CN 235, N 250, and N 2130. This project is very important to fill the gap between very senior designer with the junior designers. Most designers PT DI have right now are junior ones. Even they need to call back a very senior ones from campus in order to make the transition become smooth.

The second best thing about it is the fact that PT Dirgantara Indonesia is still not a very modern industry yet. They still produce airplanes manually with minimal automation machine. It is because PT DI focuses more on military planes that has lower demand than passenger one thus less need for automation, its old attempt to tap passenger market is failed during 1995-2000 due to financial crisis. By having this plane, there is a potency to get more customers so there will be a need for more automation system that will make the factory get more efficient. In essence, if the project is successful, this will lead into modernization and even bigger factory. There is a plan to add factory in Aceh province and Lampung province in the future.

This project which is started at 2004 or 2007 ( I forgot ) is also important to support KFX IFX program particularly for the junior engineers who never had any experience in designing a real plane. I believe around 82 engineers PT DI send to South Korea there are those who are juniors designers. So there is much benefit we get from having this project. Of course there is Lapan Fighter Experiment project which is also beneficial for the success of KFX program.
 
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Ahmad

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Another variant



FRIDAY, 22 SEPTEMBER, 2017 | 19:22 WIB

PTDI to Develop N219 Amphibious Airplane for Maritime Tourism


TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - State-owned aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) will develop an amphibious aircraft called N219. The airplane will have capabilities of taking off and landing on the water surface so that it can be utilized for marine tourism purposes.

PTDI to Develop N219 Amphibious Airplane for Maritime Tourism
 
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Ahmad

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Lapan Fighter Experiment, Indonesian STEALTH fighter experiment


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ngatimozart

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Ahmad, can you please just post links to articles and comment on the articles themselves rather than posting the full article. This way both you and the forum are protected from accusations of plagiarism. As a general rule 10% of an article can be copied and pasted as long as the link to the article, or its publishing details, are cited. Anything above the 10% requires explicit written permission from the articles author and / or original publisher.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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AIM 120 C-7. It will be bought in 2018 according to 2018 defense budget. NASAM acquisition is not a plan anymore, it has already been a contract.
Do you know the amount of missiles ordered? If its only a small number like 24 or 48, its not enough to arm the F-16C/Ds and the NASAMS.

Nurtanio Planes Made by PTDI Sold 75 Units at Singapore Airshow


SINGAPORE, presidentpost.com –
The Aircraft N219 aka Nurtanio made by PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) attracted a lot of attention in the aerospace exhibition Singapore Airshow 2018. Orders for this aircraft kept flowing.

PTDI Production Director Arie Wibowo said the Nurtanio plane was selling well at the Singapore Airshow. He received orders for 75 units of the aircraft.


Nurtanio Planes Made by PTDI Sold 75 Units at Singapore Airshow - The President Post
Sounds great, but they dont give the details about the orders and costumers.
And even if contracts are really signed, by airlines not close to bankruptcy, until now the production capacity of IPTN is maximum 4-6 fixed wing aircrafts a year.
 
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