Hellenic Navy

PetranPireotis

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Apart from Burkes which are a 10year "Bla-bla" in Greece and FRemms which 6 meant to be built in Greek Shipyards has anyone else heard any update in Hellenic Navy program? I think Greece has to play a firefighting role in Eastern Med ... Turkey is a giant but has a lot of problems now... I don't think they will complete their nice and ambitious shipbuilding program
 

Ananda

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Seems someone already created Greece Navy Thread, so I put this article in here.


Seems this is Greece answer to Turkey Ada/Milgem class Corvettes. Bit smaller than Turkish one, but similar class of weapon suits. Since it's cooperating with Israel, the cut off shown influence from Israel SAAR 5.
 

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Seems this is Greece answer to Turkey Ada/Milgem class Corvettes. Bit smaller than Turkish one, but similar class of weapon suits. Since it's cooperating with Israel, the cut off shown influence from Israel SAAR 5.
Thanks. Here is a link to a video of the 800 ton Themistocles-class corvette.
Does not mention the type of missiles to be used on the 72 metre long corvette. Will have to wait for details to emerge.

From what I see, it is not a impressive design other than the fact that they try to squeeze out space for a lot of weapons. I think the bridge is a bit too far forward for my liking.
 
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ngatimozart

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Yep it looks a bit small and cramped. Almost top heavy. Maybe if they went for 80 m or even 85 m, that would make a power of difference, giving a wider range of capability options, but at a price, however steel is cheap and air is free.
 

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Been following this on Face Ache since about 3pm UK time, when I saw some of the still images of the former HMS Berkley. The damage is centred around the back end of the Engine room by the auxiliary engine, so the ship has effectively remained afloat as that engine room bulkhead has held.

I've also been "reliably informed" by a colleague from work, that the bit just aft of where the damage ends contained the main magazine for all the underwater ordnance. In other words it's scattered across the seabed, along with the rest of the ship...

Likely that both ship's companies will be held ashore till Maritime investigation teams can confirm whom is at fault, although I've seen comments that the container ship Captain has been arrested.
 

Pusser01

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Noting Quorn & Atherstone have recently been sold to Lithuania & are unavailable, could some of the equipment from Kallisto be transferred into the ex-Walney as a replacement? With Walney being laid-up since 2014 she might not be in a state for reactivation however.
 
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Ananda

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From Xavier sites. Talking on competition for Four Greece Frigates program. Seems for me the typical packages the vendors offer similar in term:
1. Provide localisation in building (either all or 3 from 4),
2. Provide stop gap solution (usually give at least two from ex Vendors nation Navy),
3. Willing to give upgrade to Greece Navy existing Meko Frigates.

The competitors also have similarities with what vendors that competing around the world recently. At least to Indonesian Frigates program, there are Fincantieri, Damen, Babcock, Naval Group. However minus Japan MHI, but they're US LM and German Meko design.

Interesting that the German is the only vendor that refuse to talk to Xavier. Either they're not have ready packages or they're planning on more covert campaign.
 

Ananda

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Seems Naval Group will have better fortune with Greece. Eventough it's not official yet, but seems news site and defense online from within Greece it self have shown similar news on this Naval Acquisition Projects.

From the news it self, seems Greece will divide their procurement on FDI (Belhara) Frigates and Gowind Corvettes. The package seems will be long time sustainment support. Also Naval Group will provide aggressive time line delivery with combination of building in France and Greece yards.

Geopolitically it's also shown continue French support with Greece toward it's rivalry's with Turkey. Seems this is also the factor that bring Greece on taking more defense deals with France, after Rafale.
 

icelord

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Seems Naval Group will have better fortune with Greece. Eventough it's not official yet, but seems news site and defense online from within Greece it self have shown similar news on this Naval Acquisition Projects.

From the news it self, seems Greece will divide their procurement on FDI (Belhara) Frigates and Gowind Corvettes. The package seems will be long time sustainment support. Also Naval Group will provide aggressive time line delivery with combination of building in France and Greece yards.

Geopolitically it's also shown continue French support with Greece toward it's rivalry's with Turkey. Seems this is also the factor that bring Greece on taking more defense deals with France, after Rafale.
Suprised by the Gowind announcement. Greece wanted the Meko upgraded so they didnt have to train in 2 new ships capabilities given they hadnt upgraded the class with anything major in over 10 years. Just means they will have Meko hulls for a few extra years but early retirement if they dont upgrade. I'd expect more then 3 Gowind if thats the case.

No interim ship with 3 FDI to be built and new build Gowind. It looks like France read the tender and went with their own plan instead...unusual for them:p

Damen Sigma looked strong and have good build reputation with other countries. UK type 31 was pushing the envelope but interim was good options.

Italian FREMM being the USN future frigate would have been good option as USN will have long supply chain for parts compared to what Italy will have as well as future upgrades to opt in. But building Italian Frigates for Greece...

US offering freedom class with their struggling reputation, which i admit has come good, was going to be an investment in PR. It would have given Greece strong USN ties but America wouldn't be involved in the Turkey debate unlike France.

Politics wins all bids in the end.
 

Redlands18

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Suprised by the Gowind announcement. Greece wanted the Meko upgraded so they didnt have to train in 2 new ships capabilities given they hadnt upgraded the class with anything major in over 10 years. Just means they will have Meko hulls for a few extra years but early retirement if they dont upgrade. I'd expect more then 3 Gowind if thats the case.

No interim ship with 3 FDI to be built and new build Gowind. It looks like France read the tender and went with their own plan instead...unusual for them:p

Damen Sigma looked strong and have good build reputation with other countries. UK type 31 was pushing the envelope but interim was good options.

Italian FREMM being the USN future frigate would have been good option as USN will have long supply chain for parts compared to what Italy will have as well as future upgrades to opt in. But building Italian Frigates for Greece...

US offering freedom class with their struggling reputation, which i admit has come good, was going to be an investment in PR. It would have given Greece strong USN ties but America wouldn't be involved in the Turkey debate unlike France.

Politics wins all bids in the end.
Interesting design the FDI with the Tumblehome Bow and a length to beam ratio of just 6.7, compare that to a Meko 200 which is 8.4 on a similar length hull.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Seems Naval Group will have better fortune with Greece. Eventough it's not official yet, but seems news site and defense online from within Greece it self have shown similar news on this Naval Acquisition Projects.

From the news it self, seems Greece will divide their procurement on FDI (Belhara) Frigates and Gowind Corvettes. The package seems will be long time sustainment support. Also Naval Group will provide aggressive time line delivery with combination of building in France and Greece yards.

Geopolitically it's also shown continue French support with Greece toward it's rivalry's with Turkey. Seems this is also the factor that bring Greece on taking more defense deals with France, after Rafale.
An MoU for three FTI/Belharra class has been signed, but nothing yet about the Gowind class corvettes.
 

Ananda

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Ahh @Sandhi Yudha you beat me on this :D. Yes seems Gowind deals are coming from mostly Greece media, that got information from their defense sources. Seems Greece calculate that building Gowind will be more economical in long run than refurbishing Meko 200.

Perhaps Gowind will be on separate deals, cause it's speculate that it will be build by Greece Shipyards. Not surprising since Egyptian and Malaysian Gowind based Corvettes/Light Frigates also being build in local shipyard.
 

kato

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Yes seems Gowind deals are coming from mostly Greece media, that got information from their defense sources.
Kathimerini is supposed to have (non-official) sources directly in the ministry of defense, and tends to be quite reliable if perhaps sometimes a bit patriotic in their reporting.

P.S.: A grain of salt has to be taken even with Kathimerini though, since they're only as good as what their sources are fed, and procurement switches and "well, this was just a MoU" in Greece are as common as in Indonesia for comparison.
 
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