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Discussion in 'Air Force & Aviation' started by gf0012-aust, Jan 30, 2017.

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  1. 2007yellow430

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    In addition to those flaws, most of the pilots I know don't like airbus.They think they manufacture has given too much control to the computer, and other design defects.

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  2. ngatimozart

    ngatimozart Super Moderator Staff Member Verified Defense Pro

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    Maiden flight of the first Aussie RFDS PC-24.
     
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    Airbus has taken over and renamed the Canadian jet that Boeing tried to keep out of the US

    It's official then..C series now part of Airbus line up as A220.
    Now with Boeing negotiation on taking over Embrear commercial division (seperated from Business Jet and Military divisions that still under Brazilian control), wonder if Boeing will later on also renamed E series. Will Boeing 717 (MD-90) being revived as E series slot ?

    Well Chinese and Russian will faced tougher market, even when they already join hand in developing CR series.
     
  4. John Fedup

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    Embraer and Bombardier will be reduced to producing business jets only. I don't see Embraer investing much in military kit after the KC390 which has a limited market and there is strong competition from Ukraine, Russia, and perhaps Japan. The T-29 will continue for awhile but I don't see a follow-on product. Both companies could consider the UAV market but competition is even more extreme.

    The airlines are now back to dealing with the duopoly. Had higher fuel prices prevailed along with no geared turbine delays, perhaps airline execs would have had the stones to place more orders sooner and a third Western commercial producer would have emerged. I should add that Bombardier also needed to ditch the preferred share structure that allowed the incompetent family management team to remain in place.
     
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    Any challanges for that Duopoly seems can only "potentially" come from or "if" Russian and Chinese team-up can come out on something competitive.

    The Russian and Chinese team-up (which both saying modelled on Airbus) on plan CR 229 (as rival for A-330 and 787), can in the paper produces alternative for wide body Medium-Long Haul range.
    Their other Inventory seems promissing with C (A220 now) and E series rival in Sukhoi Superjet and ARJ21. 737 and A320 rival in MC-21 and C-219.

    However it's still long way to go..If Russian and Chinese decided to enlarge their team-up outside CR 229, they have to decided what aircraft need to keep in the inventory on Smaller range. That could be deal breaker.

    Both of them also has to facing long fight on building global chain of maintenance and support that both Airbus and Boeing has.
    Tremedous obstacles, but outside that don't see any other contender that can potentially face the duopoly of Boeing and Airbus. Not even the Japanese with their MRJ.
     
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    John Fedup Well-Known Member

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    I forgot about the MRJ from Japan. I agree, it won't pose much of a threat to the duopoly. Same applies to Russian and Chinese regional type jets. As for the joint Chinese-Russian effort to produce a wide- body commercial jet, yes that could be a game changer but huge obstacles include suitable engines and the avionics expected by major airlines. The service support, as you correctly mention, is also a huge issue. Support is not a Russian strength but maybe the Chinese can improve this.
     
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    There would also be the issue of getting type certification to operate to/in the US and EU. IIRC Chinese manufactured aircraft (even those in partnership with Airbus or Boeing) are for domestic operations and not internationally, at least in part because of a lack of confidence in the build quality of the aircraft themselves. Any joint Russian/Chinese airliner venture would also need to overcome that, unless the aircraft were only to operate between Russia and China, or for domestic operations. Of course this would hardly make them a competitor with Airbus or Boeing.
     
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    @Todjaeger ....great point and perhaps the biggest impediment in their quest to challenge the duopoly.