A team of approx 10-15 Russian techs have arrived to begin fore moving Russian made C3 equip from the Mistrals
Dismantling of Russian-Made Equipment From Mistrals Underway
Future of the French/Russian Mistral LHDs
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Dismantling of Russian-Made Equipment From Mistrals Underway
which would be good for India but doesn't stop an overall sale as the french can still bypass that by maintaining ownership but leasing it on to (eg) SNMG-1
the Russians have tried to insert a sale restriction clause so as to hobble the potential sale to an enemy of the State (eg) Ukraine today, Poland/Germany/Japan etc even though its highly unlikely
its a loss of face clause
FormerDirtDart
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From DefenseNews this afternoon.
The UAE has confirmed interest in acquiring one of the ships.
The Russian language paper also quoted sources stating that Russia will provide financial support to Egypt for purchase of a ship. And, that Egypt would commit to the additional purchase of a number of Ka-52 helicopters.
UAE Confirms Interest in Mistral Ship
The UAE has confirmed interest in acquiring one of the ships.
Also reported via the Moskovsky Komsomolets, sources from the Russian military approved the possible sale of both ships, one to the UAE, the other to Egypt.
The Russian language paper also quoted sources stating that Russia will provide financial support to Egypt for purchase of a ship. And, that Egypt would commit to the additional purchase of a number of Ka-52 helicopters.
UAE Confirms Interest in Mistral Ship
Russian Tech may stay on board depending on buyer
Would make sense as the Russians could immediately sell aircraft such as the KA-25 and KA-52 to the new buyer.
French Offical: Russian Systems May Stay Aboard Mistrals if Egypt Buys
Russia has confirmed if a buyer of their approval purchases the Mistrals, they would allow their tech to remain aboard. Initial news is still focused on Egypt and India.
Would make sense as the Russians could immediately sell aircraft such as the KA-25 and KA-52 to the new buyer.
French Offical: Russian Systems May Stay Aboard Mistrals if Egypt Buys
John Fedup
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See my post at the RCN thread or check this link regarding Canada' interest in the Mistrals.
Canada was actively pursuing possible purchase of Mistral-class ships – initiative on hold because of election | Ottawa Citizen
Canada was actively pursuing possible purchase of Mistral-class ships – initiative on hold because of election | Ottawa Citizen
Would make good sense given the new "race" for the Arctic and Canada's vast impact there. They were hardened for Arctic use
John Fedup
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You have probably read some posts on this thread and others regarding the build quality of the Mistrals. For this reason alone I lost interest. The other consideration is the costs related to outfitting to them to RCN requirements and the strain that would place on Canadian shipyards that need to concentrate on other urgent RCN projects. I guess the work could be outsourced to a foreign yard but the political blowback would be excessive for any of the current parties in the upcoming election. The whole issue is likely moot as some other country will buy before Canada could ever issue a PO.
They can always buy it from Russia & have it re-fitted. At least they know it fits.
If they're really interested, you'd think they'd ask for a stop work order. The fact that work is going ahead - well, maybe not really interested, or maybe they'd prefer western equipment, perhaps for interoperability with the UAE, Saudis or whoever.
If they're really interested, you'd think they'd ask for a stop work order. The fact that work is going ahead - well, maybe not really interested, or maybe they'd prefer western equipment, perhaps for interoperability with the UAE, Saudis or whoever.
Nick underscore
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I'm sure as part of the compo package from the French, it included the cost of removal.
IMV, this would be the normal course for two reasons. If they don't sell-on to an acceptable customer, the gear would be removed and I'm sure certain systems/ gear the Russian Govt doesn't want passed to a third party, regardless of whether their deemed acceptable from a ToT point of view.
The obvious is the financial aspect. France pays to 'strip it' and the (possible) follow-on customer pays again for the fit it out.
I think the two sisters are still in play to the obvious 2-3 countries already stated
John Fedup
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Apparently Egypt will be buying the Mistrals. A major relief for the French Defense Ministry no doubt.
Egypt buys 2 warships from France, 2nd big military purchase
I wonder how much Egypt is paying - & whether someone else is providing the money.
It's also been reported that Egypt is buying 50 Ka-52, possibly including Ka-52K, which could operate off the LHDs.
http://tass.ru/en/defense/823140
I wonder how much Egypt is paying - & whether someone else is providing the money.
It's also been reported that Egypt is buying 50 Ka-52, possibly including Ka-52K, which could operate off the LHDs.
http://tass.ru/en/defense/823140
John Fedup
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No doubt they got a decent deal and even if they didn't there is likely some Saudi money in the deal. The Russians might even have an agreement in the helicopter deal with the Russians to evaluate the Mistrals when the training the Egyptians to operate the Ka-52s. One thing we do know for certain, Egyptian procurement people move way faster than their Indian and Canadian counterparts!
FormerDirtDart
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I'm going to go out on limb and make an assumption that Russia will be providing Egypt with some financial assistance to purchase the ships
Also, I wouldn't be completely surprised if this whole purchase agreement isn't part of some convoluted scheme, that will eventually find Russia acquiring both ships from Egypt in the end.
John Fedup
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Anything is possible I guess but I doubt your suggestion will happen. Egypt would pi$$ off too many partners. Besides, the Russians can learn everything they need to know about these ships while training on the use of their naval helicopters and then just build their own Mistrals which they were going to do for ships 3 and 4 anyway.
John Fedup
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Agreed, the helicopter deal will allow them to see the ship running and will only provide minimal information that they didn't already know about.
There are sketchy plans to add anti-sub capabilities to the Ka-52K in the future, and even operate them off of 1155s and 956s. And the AVMF is still getting a regiment of Ka-52Ks. Despite the cancellation of the Mistrals. So seeing the Egyptians operate them will definitely help. Especially when making decisions about their own LHD design.