F-35 Program - General Discussion

Boagrius

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Lockheed Martin said today it has developed an advanced version of the Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS) used in the F-35 Lightning II. The Advanced EOTS offers higher resolution and improved multi-spectral sensing. The development was funded through internal investment and was vetted through Operational Analysis against the most demanding F-35 missions. The Advanced EOTS includes a larger aperture and provides pilots with multi-spectral sensing options such as high-resolution Mid-Wave IR, Short-Wave IR and Near IR. Utilizing the same volume and weight, Advanced EOTS is effortless to integrate into the F-35 Lightning II with the “plug and play” feature.
Lockheed Martin Prepared to Enhance F-35 Targeting Capability - Defense Update:

Sounds like a promising development for F35 operators. Makes you wonder how this might enhance the IRST functionality of the system.
 

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StobieWan

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Lockheed Martin Prepared to Enhance F-35 Targeting Capability - Defense Update:

Sounds like a promising development for F35 operators. Makes you wonder how this might enhance the IRST functionality of the system.
It's quite an interesting counterpoint to earlier criticisms of EOTS that it was not as capable as some in service - with a lot of the usual fear and uncertainty arm waving from the nay sayers. Turns out the entire unit is a line replaceable device which can be swapped out with just a few fasteners etc.

That's a result if ever I heard of one.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Despite improvements with the F-35, one part of the program has been a dismal failure with a $hitload of money being thrown at it, ALIS. This is now been confirmed with this announcement about a replacement program, a modified version of ODIN. If the report about one airforce unit wasting 45,000 hours screwing around with ALIas is accurate then this change was long overdue.

F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says
 

ngatimozart

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LM has demonstrated the capability of using an airborne F-35 sensors for the detection, tracking & targeting of air breathing inbound targets, including low flying cruise missiles, for ground based air defence systems. The aircrafts MADL was used to pass the tracking data to the US Army's Integrated Air and Missile Defense Battle Command System. F-35 sensors help ground interceptors engage “air-breathing” targets
 

Boagrius

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Some excellent info from two F35 drivers here:

I was rather astounded to hear them describe the SA of an F35 as being comparable to that of an AWACS(!). Also encouraging to hear that the aircraft has really put its teething issues behind it and is now in the business of providing an operational capability to its users.
 

Rich

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With the introduction of the AARGM-ER into the bays of the F-35 the DBL digit SAM's should be entering an even more exciting phase of operations. Especially by all accounts the Israeli F-35I's are getting within the SDB-ll envelope without detection.

The AIM-260 and PEREGRINE programs in the '20s will make the aircraft even more lethal and versatile. I'd like to see more movment on the USN's 35C LRASM integration but with the range and the smarts of the missile i guess its not imperative. The SH will do just fine as a carriage.

Nice to see japan has realized the full potential of their rotary carriers with an additional order of 105 F-35,s, 63 A's and 42 B's, which bring their total up to 147. The Izumo class is 27,000 tons, smaller then our America's, but still very useful. South Korea is onboard with its 14,000 ton Amphib and F-35B order. Both are scheduled for a huge increase in submarine capability with new Lithium-ion Tech and the ROKN KSS-lll boats will even have a 10 VLS tube capability and there are rumors of a Tomahawk sale. Both navies are quietly upping their game in the North Pacific.
 

Boagrius

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With the introduction of the AARGM-ER into the bays of the F-35 the DBL digit SAM's should be entering an even more exciting phase of operations. Especially by all accounts the Israeli F-35I's are getting within the SDB-ll envelope without detection.
Can I ask where you heard this? Sounds about right as this is precisely what the F35 + SDB combo was designed to do but I hadn't heard any operational reports up until now.

AARGM-ER does sound like a game changer - twice the range and twice the speed of regular AARGM with what is probably LO shaping and internal carriage in a VLO shooter. Nasty stuff.
 

swerve

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... The Izumo class is 27,000 tons, ... South Korea is onboard with its 14,000 ton Amphib and F-35B order. ..
When did S. Korea order F-35B? 40 F-35A initially, plus an announcement of the intention to buy another 20 in October last year. There were rumours that the extra 20 would be B, but that has not been stated officially as far as I can see.

S. Korea has two Dokdo class LHDs (which it calls LPHs despite their docks) now: one commissioned, & one on sea trials. They're ca 14,000 tons standard, but 19,000 tons full load, while the Izumo class is 27,000 tons full load & 19,500 tons standard. Using different measures gives a false impression of the difference between them.
 

ngatimozart

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With the introduction of the AARGM-ER into the bays of the F-35 the DBL digit SAM's should be entering an even more exciting phase of operations. Especially by all accounts the Israeli F-35I's are getting within the SDB-ll envelope without detection.

The AIM-260 and PEREGRINE programs in the '20s will make the aircraft even more lethal and versatile. I'd like to see more movment on the USN's 35C LRASM integration but with the range and the smarts of the missile i guess its not imperative. The SH will do just fine as a carriage.

Nice to see japan has realized the full potential of their rotary carriers with an additional order of 105 F-35,s, 63 A's and 42 B's, which bring their total up to 147. The Izumo class is 27,000 tons, smaller then our America's, but still very useful. South Korea is onboard with its 14,000 ton Amphib and F-35B order. Both are scheduled for a huge increase in submarine capability with new Lithium-ion Tech and the ROKN KSS-lll boats will even have a 10 VLS tube capability and there are rumors of a Tomahawk sale. Both navies are quietly upping their game in the North Pacific.
@Rich PLEASE PROVIDE SOURCES, AS REQUIRED BY THE FORUM RULES, TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS IN THIS POST. YOU HAVE BEEN ON HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THE RULES.

NGATIMOZART.
 

Takao

The Bunker Group
Some excellent info from two F35 drivers here:

I was rather astounded to hear them describe the SA of an F35 as being comparable to that of an AWACS(!). Also encouraging to hear that the aircraft has really put its teething issues behind it and is now in the business of providing an operational capability to its users.
I had the very fortunate opportunity to work beside a peep who's living was in the back of an AEW&C and they put a lot of asterisk's behind such a claim. Now, noting there is a difference between an E-2, E-7 and E-3...

There are two physical realities that will prevent such a statement being true - physics and accommodation. The first relates to the radar, the E-7 / E-3 aircraft simply have more power and a larger radar. They also have room for other bits and pieces that can me melded into the air picture. Pending a significant, elemental breakthrough, the larger aircraft will always have more quantity and variety of ergatrons to throw at the situation, granting better SA.

The second bit links to the crew. Without significant amounts of AI on the F-35 (and if it has it, the AEW&C has it - see power statement above) it's one person trying to understand the picture, fly the aircraft and fight the system. Compare to an AEW&C that, at worst has 3 people studying the air picture and nothing else. On the bigger aircraft that increases. With more eyes there are more specialisations and more ability to understand the situation.

They described it (broadly - and I'm paraphrasing) as a half-back v a coach. The half-back understands and sees the play on the field at that time and nothing else. The coach see's the whole match and has specialists looking at both teams to detail what happens next, then next, then next.
 

Boagrius

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Some excellent footage here from the F35 Demo Team. Display courtesy of Capt Kristin "Beo" Wolfe:


Good to see the F35 being handled in an increasingly care-free manner. I suspect the users are getting a much better idea of how to fly her nowadays.
 

south

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It seems that the Pentagon’s Fiscal Year 2021 Unfunded Priorities List has put in a request to equip LRIP Lot 15 F-35C's with the Sidekick internal weapons rack. This would increase the jet's internal AAM loadout from 4 to 6:


Hopefully we will see the rack installed across the broader F35 fleet.
It is only possible on A’s and C’s. Can’t be fitted to B’s due to the smaller bay.

but yes more missiles is never a bad thing.
 
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