China - Geostrategic & Geopolitical.
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First that I heard of it but doesn't mean that it's not correct. However the health of the top officials is a very closely guarded secret and Xi, especially, is very private about his private life and family. People have disappeared into the prison system for posting stuff about his family on Chinese social media. The part about his political enemies will be correct because we know about the fight to the death between his faction and the Jiang faction.
Definitely the CCP hard line response to the COVID-19 pandemic is having a negative effect both on Xi and the Party in general. The Collateral Damage in China’s Covid War | Foreign Affairs People are getting over it and in Shanghai there have been ongoing protests. As the article in Foreign Affairs states, it has to do with plain stubbornness and intransigence at national, regional, and local levels of the CCP. There's Xi's and the Politburo Standing Committee policy and they're not going to change that, despite scientific evidence to support change, and the regional and local CCP organisations and bureaucrats who will want to be seen to be very enthusiastic in following the orders from the Politburo. However the real reason why the CCP won't change the policy is CCP culture; they are a revolutionary political party and there whole culture and self image centres around their revolution. So anything like a virus is seen as something that is an enemy that has to be fought against by a jihad - a holy war and that's how they do it. They can't conceive of or accept any alternatives except jihad.
John Fedup
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Interesting speculation about the Wuhan lab responsibility for COVID. Even if evidence came to light to any faction confirming this, I can’t see any opposing faction to Xi ever allowing this to be made public. The liability consequences for China would be immense.
If you read the Shari Markson book “what really happened in Wuhan“ it’s hard to come to any other conclusion. If you PM me an address I’ll send it you you.
I would be very careful about relying on one book to form an opinion on this matter. Authors do tend to be some what partisan and cherry pick evidence when producing such articles as they wish to push their ideas and also make money so they aim for an particular ordinance. I would look for non partisan evidence from other independent sources before drawing a final conclusion.
John Fedup
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Very true about additional sources. Not very likely given the CCP’s grip on everything. Probably the only confirmation (obviously limited) is the CCP’s behaviour wrt all things COVID. I am suspicious but until some creditable officials defect with real data it will remain so.
Certainly not relying on one source but the book quotes dozens of credible sources, witnesses and CCP websites including Gain of function scientific journal research data since removed from Eco Health Alliance website (WHOs virology arm) Wuhan institute of Virology website, quotes multiple published research papers and WHO amongst other sources.
make up your own mind. Offer is still open. Drop me a pm and I’ll send it you.
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It's not the liability consequence John, because they could stonewall that until the universe's great crunch happened. It's the political consequences within the CCP and the PRC that they fear the most. Many CCP officials careers would end suddenly, probably in the MSS cells, including those at the very top. But what scares them the most is the losing of power and a scandal such as this could see the people take to the streets in a counter revolution and overthrow them. That is their worse nightmare; being overthrown by the people. That is why they spend almost twice as much on internal security as they do on Defence.
The sources in the book I would suspect would be cherry picked by the author. However the behavior of the CCP on this issue does point to them trying to hide something, so I think that there is a fairly high probability that there was something untoward going on.
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John Fedup
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Agree, it is CCP behaviour that increases the suspicion on this issue more than anything else.
To just state that sources are cherry without reading the books is dis ingenious. The sources include Sheung Zli who is head of the Wuhan institute of Virology (WIV)and Peter Durzhak is head of the Eco Health Alliance.
This is the guts of it.
The Wuhan Insuture of virology is a level 5 bio security built as a joint facility with the French.
The French have never been allowed in since it was built In 2011.
WIV was funded by the Chinese Gov and WHOs Virology arm the Eco Health Alliance. Eco Health alliance is primly funded by Western govs with The US and Australian directly funding Wuhan IV.
There is a documented 7 year trail of reports and complaints by visiting Australian, American and English scientist that the security protocols were very lax with the threat of contamination classed as very high.
The COVID virus that led to COVID 19 was found in bats in a cave approx 1200 km from Wuhan. Location escapes me.
Gain of function ( injecting with amino acids and proteins to change the effectiveness of the virus) work on this virus is recorded and documented back to 2013.
These records include who when how what they did to the specimens…it’s science. …were available publicly until Feb 2021 when they disappeared off line… but they had been backed up by other research facilities and universities So are still available for scrutiny.
Scientist including Australians Americans and Peter Durzak long with Sheng Zli worked on Gavin of function directly on this virus.
The form of the virus that starting effecting humans is so heavily modified by gain of function that you could inject it into a bat and that bat will not catch it.
The first people started getting sick from the WIV around early Sept 2109.
At one stage ( Nov 2019 from memory) so many were getting sick they locked the facility down with the military but by that stage it was too late.
From late Nov 2019 Wuhan was locked down for internal transport. You could not bus, train, plane out of Wuhan to anywhere in China. But could fly out of Wuhan internationally.
From late Dec 2019 the Gov sent word globally to its diaspora to buy up PPR nd ship it back to China.
The rest is history.
In the book Markson names people, companies, and institutions of range. Is it all plausible. Not entirely but for those named…they can always sue her for libel if it’s not true.
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@Bob53 is correct about being disingenuous claiming sources are cherry picked if people haven't read the book. It's some that we all have to be careful about.
A comment about sources. When writing papers, articles, or books, you have to draw the line with sources at some stage, otherwise it becomes very unmanageable and unreadable. So yes you are selective about your sources and as a rule of thumb you should select sources that both support and oppose your argument in order to arrive at a properly reasoned conclusion. By doing so that tells the reader that you have considered all the reasonable possible options and that adds value to your arguments and conclusion.
However, when we are dealing with any material and data from the PRC, we cannot accept it at face value because we have no way of knowing how accurate it is. The CCP is well known for falsifying data for political purposes, and it's not rare occurrences either; unfortunately it's quite common. On top of that the CCP is endemic with corruption and the data it receives from it's own officials most likely will have been massaged to hide their, or others, corrupt activities from those higher up in the bureaucracy. Classic examples are the regional grain storage stockpiles where what is said to be in each silo, and what is actually in each silo, are two completely different stories, because the good grain has been sold off by corrupt officials.
WRT to the Wuhan incident any PRC sources about that have to be treated as hostile witnesses, because the CCP will not under any circumstances disclose the actual facts of the matter. What Sheung has to say will be dictated by the Politburo Standing Committee in Beijing and Sheung will not deviate from that one iota. It's an extremely sensitive political matter and anyone within the PRC who goes against the CCP on this disappears. All that we know about Wuhan comes from the PRC and that has to be treated with extreme caution.
If the author of the book hasn't treated that material with any caution. nor acknowledged it as such, then it throws the veracity of the rest of the book into doubt. However if such caution is acknowledged and allowed for by the author then the books conclusions will not have been tainted.
The western intelligence agencies came by to this conclusion that supports the outline of the book around March2020. If you recall around this time Trimp started calling it the Wuhan flu and Scomo requested an independent review of the origins of COVID 19. This is because they had been briefed.
There is a lot I have missed in the synopsis above, including how WHO and Eco Health alliance were central to the narrative that was adopted in the west.
I am of the view that the basic under story of the book …. it sounds about right but like I said get a copy and read it.
Btw I am not the authors agent.
What Really Happened In Wuhan
Walkley Award-winning journalist, Sharri Markson is the Investigations Editor at The Australian and host of prime-time show Sharri on Sky News Australia.The ...
www.harpercollins.com.au
Yep, I must admit that I badly worded that comment and meant to say that could have been cherry picked, as we have seen in NZ by some anti military jurno's in NZ.
I agree with this and as I think that the CCP has given it self a case to answer due to it's behavior over this pandemic. However it appears that it is not open and shut at this time.
I will admit to a bias against authors that make claims that they have solved something that official inquiries have failed to do because there are such number of these claims, thought there are cases that are correct. However the fake news brigade has made me a little skeptical of these cases.
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1,000 reviews by Amazon customers means nothing. Were they actual customers? Or were they by bots? Fraudulent reviews are quite common unfortunately.
More on Xi's so called brain aneurism and other health problems. The Wall Street, Journal, Sun and Daily Mail are being played in this case.
John Fedup
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Can’t recall where I saw an article about “reviews” or whether it was in Canada or the US, but there is some kind of investigation underway about BS online reviews.
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Is that the investigation into the bogus pornhub reviews?
Sorry couldn't resist it.What official inquiries? The only Western people that have been allowed the facility since the outbreak were 3 people from WHOs Eco Health Alliance with the 3 person team headed up by Peter Durzhak…nothing to see here was the outcome after spending around 4 hrs in the facility. The scientific journals published by Peter Durzhak and put out for peer review 2014-1018 include significant scientific research in the Virus that was to become COVID 19. He was sent to review his own work.