Afghanistan War

OPSSG

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Part 1 of 2: Taliban or rather Haqqani cosplay

The second photo at the bottom indeed shows Taliban “special forces”; practically indistinguishable from the ANA.
1. Haqqani cosplay, badly needed to deter other local groups who seek to displace the Taliban in power — the groups that will fight the Taliban in the days ahead are far worse than the Taliban in ideology and murderous intent — an evolution we have seen in Syria and Iraq at the height of ISIS in power.

2. The Taliban obviously aren’t a monolithic bloc, and as others have described, all of the major Taliban players are jockeying for position and power right now — sources suggest that Afghanistan has 14 primary factions ruling different regions (similar to the Philippines where 180+ families rule the country). This may make any form of central government challenging, which is not to say that this cosplay group are not useful to the Quetta Shura, the western and northern Taliban groups, as the collective Taliban leadership — these elite are useful like Saddam’s Republican Guard (to ensure regime loyalist forces have an edge).

3. It is NOT what they wear that is important. Who do they report to? Their faction’s backers have money — follow the money and it will start to make sense.

4. Special forces are only really special when they have air support and C4SIR to achieve their mission. They have fought for years. But what are the missions these Haqqani cosplayers can do without the necessary support elements?

5. The Haqqanis, showed up late, and look like they just got back from a mission to kill Bin Laden, when they are actually in bed with his replacement. They are going to control the future revenue from the airport — if Turkey agrees to provide the air traffic control and they provide the muscle to fight off ISK attacks. More importantly, they are winning the internal Taliban revenue and arms race to form the richest group of core loyalists — the winners will eventually rule other factions through fear.
 
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STURM

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It is NOT what they wear that is important.
No, clearly not and it wasn’t what I was suggesting but at the same time I was very surprised to see them kitted our they way they were; not what I was expecting.

The term “special forces” can mean slightly different things to different people/armies/organisations. To me a more accurate term (based on what little I know about them) would be to describe them as “shock troops” intended to be used for specific tasks in which regular or standard Taliban units might not be suited for. For this role I would imagine that these troops have undergone some level of training beyond the very basic on the job training which other Talibs normally receive.
 
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C-RAM left behind aswell. Wonder if that poses any issue for similar US navy systems - Phalanx and SeaRam- and inspection by rus, china or iran.
Are those C-RAM installations really left behind!?
Its hard to believe that the americans will be that stupid to do that.
Do you maybe have links of the articles/newsreports where we can find the reports about it?
 

Shanesworld

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Are those C-RAM installations really left behind!?
Its hard to believe that the americans will be that stupid to do that.
Do you maybe have links of the articles/newsreports where we can find the reports about it?


In another site and on a french network they also mention the security dogs being left behind due to lack of room on the planes which is an added sadness.
 

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Part 2 of 2: Taliban or rather Haqqani cosplay

6. Twitter is full of idiotic comments on an airlifted Landcruiser. This #KabulCar is obviously a bit different and we can divine a great deal even from a single fuzzy photograph - firstly have a quick look at the rear window and compare with a standard model - note the totally flat glass, not curved - definitely ballistic glass.

No, clearly not and it wasn’t what I was suggesting but at the same time I was very surprised to see them kitted our they way they were; not what I was expecting.
7. Agree with your comment. The Badri 313 unit are competent as elite light infantry and have unique tactics — their tool box includes ‘suicide bombers.’ So I am quite interested in how they will fight ISK. In Oct 2020, Rahimullah Haqqani was targeted in a suspected ISK bombing in Peshawar, that he survived. Instead of sending an unmanned ‘XYZ’, both sides will send a disposable weapon — which is human. For all you know, they may switch sides — next year.

8. Badri 313 "likely represents some of the best trained and equipped fighters within the Taliban more broadly, although as you would expect there is a degree of sensationalising in propaganda coverage of the unit by the group," Matt Henman from the Janes defence consultancy told AFP. A Western open source expert who writes anonymously on Twitter under the pseudonym of Calibre Obscura said the unit would be no match for Western special forces, or those of India or Pakistan. But "they are more effective than normal Taliban and certainly more than standard Afghan national army troops from a couple of weeks ago," he told AFP.

9. Kabul is really in for more misery, given the ISK cells.
 
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STURM

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So I am quite interested in how they will fight ISK.
Unfortunately there’s not much info about the various engagements both sides have fought over the years. From snippets which have appeared over the years from various sources the standard script is the Taliban flooding surrounding areas with fighters to surround ISK; which in turn attempts to escape to fight another day.
 
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STURM

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For all you know, they may switch sides — next year.
Well, we hope not because if Taliban in numbers start switching sides it would be a problem.

The good news is that over the years ISK has not been attracting in large numbers Taliban fighters and hasn’t had widespread local support. This is probably due to the fact that the Taliban has done a pretty good job maintaining unit cohesion; local tribal ties and the fact that both organisations are driven by differing ideologies; in turn based on different schools of Islam.
 

STURM

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In another site and on a french network they also mention the security dogs being left behind due to lack of room on the planes which is an added sadness.
Many years ago in remember reading in “Vietnam” magazine (the same U.S. publisher did “Military History” and “Great Battles”) an article about U.S. MPs at the embassy who had no choice but to leave their dogs chained to posts when they evacuated Saigon.

I’m well aware of the circumstances behind Pern Farthing’s attempts to get animals out; including the fact that he took up the time and attention of troops who were trying to get people out; he should have left earlier, Afghans will ask why getting animals out was more important than doing the same humans; etc, but as someone who has done a bit of animal rescue in the past and who has a deep fondness for animals; I was glad when I read in BBC he got his animals out. Apparently there won’t be problems finding them good homes in the U.K.
 
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Shanesworld

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Are those C-RAM installations really left behind!?
Its hard to believe that the americans will be that stupid to do that.
Do you maybe have links of the articles/newsreports where we can find the reports about it?
I havent found the link but i remember there was a huge order placed for apkws 2 and paveway 2's and supporting systems /infrastructure to arm the tucanos and md 530's. Assuming that order was even partially completed then that leaves an open avenue to russia, iran and china to study those systems.
 

STURM

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The Type 63 107mms were a favourite of the Mujahideen from the 1980’s. I’m surprised there’re still around. Supplied in large numbers by China; mostly inaccurate but easy to transport and made a loud bang.

In “Ghost Wars” Steve Coll describes a attempt by the Mujahideen in the late 1990’s to launch a rocket strike on a AQ position. Analysts in the U.S. complained why it took so long to get the rocket team in place; leading to someone pointing out it wasn’t the 82nd Airborne but a team moving over mountains on mules.
 

STURM

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Assuming that order was even partially completed then that leaves an open avenue to russia, iran and china to study those systems.
For me the question really is how much Russia and China can actually learn from getting their hands on this stuff. Little chance of the Taliban handing over stuff to Iran; both are not the best of chums: merely being forced to get along due to convenience/necessity.

In the past we know that stuff relating to the Tomcat, including a Phoenix, made their way to the Soviet Union from Iran and that Tomahawk parts from Serbia reached China. No idea about parts from the downed F-117 though.

Al Jazeera has great footage of the military wing of the airport; a pair of disabled Little Birds could be seen. The correspondent mentioned witnessing the arrival of Qatari specialists who arrived to help with the airport; along with Qatari special forces.
 
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In another site and on a french network they also mention the security dogs being left behind due to lack of room on the planes which is an added sadness.
No US military working dogs were left behind.
Apparently the caged dogs appearing in videos floating around are pets and rescued animals being evacuated by civilian organizations
 

STURM

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The Taliban obviously aren’t a monolithic bloc, and as others have described, all of the major Taliban players are jockeying for position and power
Indeed they aren’t. At the start it was largely the Kandahar group but as it got larger it comprised of other Pashtuns from various other parts of the country. Despite rivalry and competition for resources they did however managed to stay united under one leadership. The Pakistanis did try over the years but failed to create deep/major divisions within the Taliban.

Then again the Taliban did have to stay united given given the odds they faced over the years: their ability to not only come back from the jaws of defeat) but to stay in fight and remain politically relevant during a period when conditions were largely not in their favour. Over the years they also suffered tremendous casualties and numerous setbacks but managed to maintain morale; which wasn’t solely due to religious fanaticism.

Now that they have their victory it’s expected that various commanders (just like in any other organisation) will compete for power and the spoils/privileges which come with it. I could be wrong but my personal hunch is that despite any divisions or schisms; the Taliban will not fall apart from within as some have predicted. Whether the country will eventually have peace and stability is a different matter however.

Meanwhile talks have been held in Qatar between the Taliban and India. Pakistan will be watching closely but it has long learnt that it can’t totally control the Taliban.
 
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ngatimozart

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If the Taliban come to some sort of half decent arrangement with India, that's going to get right up Pakistan's nose. IIRC the Taliban don't have a grudge with India and they will be smart enough to know that they can use India as a foil against Pakistan.
 

STURM

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The report on the meeting mentioned two major items discussed; India’s security concerns and its desire for an agreement which will enable travel for Indian and Afghan citizens. Naturally India is also looking at participating in rebuilding and development projects; which together with those from other countries have the potential to create some form of stability in the country.

Not much Pakistan can do to keep India out. Unlike in the past Pakistan might not have a fee hand to counter India. For one it will be opposed by China which has made clear it wants stability in Afghanistan. Secondly any attempts by the Pakistanis to create trouble will be opposed by the Taliban which is desperate for mutually beneficial ties with a number of countries. As long as India doesn’t do anything drastic like attempting to steer the Taliban away from Pakistan (it can’t) or provide aid to Baluch separatists; the Pakistanis will grudgingly accept the fact that India is a player in Afghanistan (albeit a smaller one).
 

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An interesting article which gives a lot to ponder about. Lots of lessons to be learnt if there is the genuine will.


If there was one thing on which everyone could agree, it was that nobody wanted the invaders to remain. Indeed, they did not want them in the first place”.

“It would have taken an extraordinary effort to create a political structure in Afghanistan that could have sloughed off the smell of the foreign imposition, and survived the withdrawal of the US military. It would have taken a truly humane attitude. And that is what we never showed.”

“First, we responded to al-Qaeda atrocities by torturing prisoners, and sending others half way round the world to Guantánamo. Then we spent a lot more money on bombs than we did on reconstructing the damage they did. Third, we never even pretended to treat the Afghans as equal partners.”

“In Kabul, I had dinner at the house of Hajji Din Mohammed, an elderly man who had held various positions in government. He had fought against the Russians and with the Americans. I asked him to compare the two. With reference to the Russians, he showed me where they had shot him, and described their phenomenal cruelty.”

“But he said he respected them in two ways: first, they were intensely loyal to their fellow soldiers, rushing to their aid no matter what the odds. And second, when they were ultimately expelled from Afghanistan, the Russians were loyal to those who had helped them, welcoming them to Moscow. Indeed, he pointed out another person at our dinner who had got all his education at Russian expense”.

“But then he went on to describe how the Americans treated the Afghans. In an ironic twist of racism, no Afghan citizen was allowed to book a room in the heavily fortified hotel where I was staying, and while I could enter without being searched, my host could not. But more to the point, he said, based on his flowing beard and his battle-scars, the Americans regarded him as a deranged “jihadi”. “No American has shaken my hand as a friend in the past 18 years,” he concluded.”

“We have that same choice with the new Afghan government. The US media has already begun vilifying them. For example, as the New York Times reports, Gholam Rulani was detained “in Afghanistan in 2001 with his brother-in-law Abdul Haq Wasiq, a deputy minister of intelligence, after he accompanied Mr Wasiq to a negotiating meeting with US officials. He was brought to Guantánamo the day the prison opened, on January 11, 2002, and was repatriated in December 2007.”

“Now, we are told that Mr Rulani, who led a group of Taliban who entered the presidential palace on August 15, said to one of his abusive Guantánamo guards “we will get you on the outside”. That someone being grotesquely mistreated may (or may not) have blurted something like this out to his abuser 15 years ago is hardly surprising. What I can say is that I have a good relationship with my erstwhile clients, and they will gladly engage with an American like me, who stood up for their rights in Guantánamo.”

“We have that same choice with the new Afghan government. The US media has already begun vilifying them. For example, as the New York Times reports, Gholam Rulani was detained “in Afghanistan in 2001 with his brother-in-law Abdul Haq Wasiq, a deputy minister of intelligence, after he accompanied Mr Wasiq to a negotiating meeting with US officials. He was brought to Guantánamo the day the prison opened, on January 11, 2002, and was repatriated in December 2007.”

“Now, we are told that Mr Rulani, who led a group of Taliban who entered the presidential palace on August 15, said to one of his abusive Guantánamo guards “we will get you on the outside”. That someone being grotesquely mistreated may (or may not) have blurted something like this out to his abuser 15 years ago is hardly surprising. What I can say is that I have a good relationship with my erstwhile clients, and they will gladly engage with an American like me, who stood up for their rights in Guantánamo.”
 

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Part 1 of 3: Discussion on weaponised mis-information

If there was one thing on which everyone could agree, it was that nobody wanted the invaders to remain. Indeed, they did not want them in the first place”.
1. In Syria protestors have damned Al-Jazeera as ‘partial’, in Libya its journalists are banned. Al Jazeera, is a Qatari government-funded international Arabic news channel based in Doha, Qatar. Al-Jazeera is a tool of the Qatar state to weaponise mis-information to hurt their enemies and injure their ‘frenemies.’ This is in their competitive streak used against not only the other Arabs, Egyptians, Persians, Turks, Malays but also against Jews and progressive interest groups in the West.

2. Its clear under Taliban ideology — imposed by use of guns — they want people deemed as ‘foreigners’ out and I don’t mean just non-Muslims — this includes other regional actors and their kin folk in Afghanistan who are also Muslims that choose to remain. Please stop with quoting lies from Al-Jazeera, as an unreliable source that have no bearing on ground reality — hundreds of thousands of Afghan refugees are running away from Taliban rule at the airport and at the border gates — and they are running not just to escape from fighting.
(a) Love it or hate it, the Al-Jazeera channel has been pumping out mis-information on a scale that is hard to imagine. I guess you must love it? Or are you really misled by their reporting?​
(b) In 2014, David S. Cohen, then Under Secretary of the Treasury for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, accused Qatari authorities of allowing financiers who were on international blacklists to live freely in the country. Congrats, the Taliban and their allies in Pakistan and Qatar, they got their wish — a religious theocracy. Good luck with running the Kabul airport, and the rest of the country.​
3. Sources have reported that for 8 years, the coffers of Qatar and Turkey were:
“wide open to the Muslim Brotherhood and to any other enemy of Egypt and its president. They could help themselves as they wished, launching satellite channels and radio stations, as well as newspapers, news agencies and news websites. They were free to establish corporations and money-transfer offices that financed Mujahideen cells and purchased tonnes of bombs, cannons and explosive devices.”​

4. Qatar has also reportedly been asked by the Taliban to provide civilian technical assistance at Kabul’s international airport once the US military withdrawal is complete — the Qatari government under the Emir of Qatar (Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani), is:
(a) more evil than MBS in Saudi Arabia; and​
(b) better at telling lies than Imran Khan, by a golden mile.​

5. Qatari Islamic education and textbooks include elements of radical ideology — such as the glorification of jihad — starting as early as grade 6. Qatari Emir in 2011 "reaffirmed his commitment to spare no efforts to carry the message and spread the teachings of Islam in the whole world, noting that the Muslim nation is now in need of renewal and inspiration of the experience of Wahhab's da'wah (call)".

6. Meanwhile, international UN agencies are asking Qatar and Pakistan for help and support in delivering aid to Afghanistan. The lies told by the Emir of Qatar are unchallenged, as the Americans, the Italians, the French, the Brits and even the Germans want to keep arms sales flowing. Qatar is giving out arms procurement contracts to Americans and Europeans like a Dentist likes to give out candy.

7. The new masters of Kabul, the Haqqanis, whom David Stephenson Rohde (an American investigative journalist for The New Yorker), got to know better than just about any other American when he was their captive — with regard to the Haqqanis, Rohde said they were: “paranoid and delusional,” with “an astounding capacity for dishonesty and greed.” While in Afghanistan, Rohde was kidnapped by members of the Taliban in Nov 2008. Rohde was first moved from Afghanistan into the tribal areas of Pakistan. And he was finally moved to a house that was quite close to a Pakistani base, where he ran to for help when he escaped in June 2009 (after 7 months in captivity), while the Taliban guards were asleep.

8. Nominally, the Haqqanis are “Taliban,” but are they really? The Haqqanis are also wealthier, since their zone of operation lies along the primary smuggling routes between Afghanistan and Pakistan and they are literally holding Americans, like Mark Frerichs, as hostages. Frerichs was a commercial contractor, who was kidnapped on 31 Jan 2020 by the Haqqani Network.

9. I am of the view that the now ‘moderate’ Taliban are going to kill as many Afghans as necessary to impose their ‘mis-guided religious’ point of view on the country — the number they need to kill is the 2nd time around is much less and hence often presented by interested parties as ‘moderate.’ And they are indeed more moderate than ISK but I believe most moderate Muslims would have trouble accepting their religious view points.
 
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STURM

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I guess you must love it? Or are you really misled by their reporting?
I’m sorry but does me quoting Al Jazeera really signify that I “love” it or am ‘misled” by it? If I quoted Fox News, CNN or some other source which you - may or may not - happen to have a more favourable impression of; would I be getting the response I’m getting from you? I’ve posted various links to Al Jazeera (I’m not the only one) are the bulk of those links misleading or slanted in any way? Do they contain info which is totally the opposite of how things really are?

I get it, you’re a “super moderator” and have a right to express an opinion about what I should or shouldn’t post but it’s not as if I’ve been posting links to a pro Taliban site or links which contain information; the bulk of which is false or misleading.

Note that I’m not suggesting that Al Jazeera doesn’t have a particular spin on things (all organisations do and none are truly objective) or that its infallible.
 
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