6th Generation Fighters Projects

Ananda

The Bunker Group

Dasault claim they have tech capabilities to lead partnership, thus the next partnetship must be lead by Dasault. This confirmed France want any potential partner follow Dasault lead as Junior Partner. Sweeden SAAB and UAE being consider both on tech (former) and financial (later) partners.

Basically it will developed Rafale 2.0 in my opinion. 5.5 (or 6.0) gen Rafale. 4.5 move to 5.5
 

Sandhi Yudha

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He doesn't give any useful information, but here we have a mock-up of the GCAP/Tempest in close up.
 

SolarisKenzo

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He doesn't give any useful information, but here we have a mock-up of the GCAP/Tempest in close up.
Interesting but the mock-up is 99% bulls**t.
According to the parliamentary hearing of Leonardo/BAE and to the documentation sent by the consortium, the GCAP-prototype is now expected to be aroung 20 meters in length, with the production plane being even bigger.
Weapons bay will be at least double the volume of those of the F-35. Autonomy will allow transatlantic travel with only one a-a refueling. (in the documents they say no-refueling at all needed for flying over the atlantic ocean, but i dont think it's realistic).
This will make it the largest combat plane built by Leonardo/BAE since the Nimrod MRA4.
It's basically an F-111 kind of plane...

 

swerve

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The Buccaneer crossed the Atlantic unrefuelled. Only once AFAIK, & the shortest route, taking advantage of the prevailing west-east wind (Newfoundland to Scotland), but still . . .
 

StevoJH

The Bunker Group
45 metres is the length of a B-1B bomber, surely F-47 is not going to be that big.

As for crossing the Atlantic, even small single engine GA aircraft can do it by hopping from Scotland-Iceland-Greenland-Newfoundland.

The direct route without refueling would be very impressive if it can do it at a decent pace.
 

Terran

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These 6th gen fighters are huge. GCAP at around 20metres long and I believe the F-47 will come in at 45metres. I can't imagine what the price tags on these things will be.
Thats…. Huge. Even the most generous projections from early NGAD didn’t go that big. That size would basically have resulted in cancellation of F47/NGAD for an FB21. I know there is a lot of talk of long ranges being a factor for NGAD but The need to cross tha pacific without refueling would basically result in a bomber. The larger the aircraft the harder it is to operate in terms of air bases and rotations with penalties on performance to boot. Then you have the cost and sortie rates. The assumption of a huge NGAD was based on being forced to operate at extreme long ranges but comes with a huge maintenance and crew penalty. Making a B1 sized Fighter just isn’t realistic. Most reports favor now an objective of 1,000 NM combat range. Aircraft half the size you state with older engines and aerodynamics like the F111 were capable of that.
45 metres is the length of a B-1B bomber, surely F-47 is not going to be that big.

As for crossing the Atlantic, even small single engine GA aircraft can do it by hopping from Scotland-Iceland-Greenland-Newfoundland.

The direct route without refueling would be very impressive if it can do it at a decent pace.
Pretty sure F47 won’t be anywhere near that big. NGAD went through a major revision a number of years ago and what seems to be implied is that the F47 is probably 20meters. Early on they seemed to be moving towards a large NGAD at about 25m now they seem to be pushing closer to the current norm. Air to air refueling, CCAs, Distributed basing makes up for loss of range. Though it’s likely that F47 will be pushed for a considerable longer combat range but new engines seem to be coming to assist in that.
 
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