Which is the World's Best Tank??

[dabrownguy]

I've heard some stuff that the Chinese ztz-99 mbt has a 152 mm gun and wieghs 60 tons! :cop But where are they getting money to keep on researching new tanks every year. Even the US didn't do research on new tanks every year! I haven't seen evidence of the tank but I have seen PSed pics of the tank and rumors from some very patriotic Chinese. Plus to confuse me more, there isn't much information on Chinese Type-98G! What gives? :help

 

[pezfez]

al-khalid and arjun shouldn't even be in these polls, ppl just vote as to their country. leopard 2a6 is clearly the best.

dabrownguy, china was building one, and i think did build one, but the 152 mm gun was i think tested by russia and usa before and it had no advantages, just a waste of time and money. might as well make it into a spa

 

[mysterious]

pezfez, the problem is not about Al-Khalid or Arjun being on the list. The thing is that there is no real comparison between any (apart from a couple of 'em) of the tanks on the list as they are made (tailored) to the environment to which they will be needed in to operate in. So different tanks are for different types of terrain and scenarios. :smokingc:

 

[Salman78]

My vote goes for Leclerc... Its a beauty :smokingc:

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leclerc/index.html[/img]

 

[gf0012-aust]

My vote goes for Leclerc... Its a beauty :smokingc:

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leclerc/index.html[/img]

I assume you are joking?

The Leclerc has been riddled with problems ranging from the performance of Hydrobar to the fact that it hasn't been able to reliably demonstrate firing at speed.

The French have been unable to sell repeat orders to their only foreign customer, and they have actually cut this years production by 30% due to a diminished requirement.

One of the reasons why GIAT is in trouble is due to the Leclerc. It would be very very low on my list of western MBT's to purchase. I was involved with some armoured vehicle assessments in the past, and people who I have had to deal with (internationally) have not been praiseworthy at all. Some of those people have been on Leclerc assessment teams.

 

[Salman78]

My vote goes for Leclerc... Its a beauty :smokingc:

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leclerc/index.html[/img]

I assume you are joking?

The Leclerc has been riddled with problems ranging from the performance of Hydrobar to the fact that it hasn't been able to reliably demonstrate firing at speed.

The French have been unable to sell repeat orders to their only foreign customer, and they have actually cut this years production by 30% due to a diminished requirement.

One of the reasons why GIAT is in trouble is due to the Leclerc. It would be very very low on my list of western MBT's to purchase. I was involved with some armoured vehicle assessments in the past, and people who I have had to deal with (internationally) have not been praiseworthy at all. Some of those people have been on Leclerc assessment teams.

Whats with you and ur assumption of my jokes dude.. LoL!!!

Leclerc might be very low on ur list but its definitly a top contender on mine's. You are entitled to your opinion and i am to ur's. Get over with it

 

[mysterious]

I dont think anyone other than Gary knows more about military equipment over here. I'd bet my money any day with what Gary has to say about tanks, etc. :smokingc:

 

[Salman78]

Al Khalid gets most of the votes ?

That is so not funny people... :idea2

 

[mysterious]

Thats just 'cuz of the fact that when this thread was 'newly' created; some really patriotic people started voting their country's tank as the best in the world and hence the polls. Its much ok now after all those 'one-time' users went off. :smokingc:

 

[gf0012-aust]

Whats with you and ur assumption of my jokes dude.. LoL!!!

Leclerc might be very low on ur list but its definitly a top contender on mine's. You are entitled to your opinion and i am to ur's. Get over with it

I'm happy to have you stick by your opinion, Just out of curiosity can you state your reasons why Leclerc rates highly when the empirical and operational evidence, and the fact that some of us have been involved with platform assessment contradicts what you believe in?

France is at the point of closing down the Leclerc line completely due to a lack of success in sales and issues with the tanks performance. If the subsidiser of GIATs revenue is unhappy, the fact that they cannot get repeat sales, and the fact that they have failed to get the Saudis to buy them (in the last 2 months) due to SA's clear contention that the platform is below par - then thats some pretty strong evidence of project difficulty.

Last I heard, the version control issues were in the 50's. That by any measure is throat constricting for a project manager.

Rather than take it personally (as you appear to have done) - provide some supporting claims. I assumed when you said that you had a military background that you would have been partially familiar with such issues.

Everyone in here is expected to be able to show the colour of their money when they make statements - it's par for the course in this forum.

 

[armage]

Best tank in world?

I think it's the M1A2 or Type 98G.
But I know one offf those tanks from Europe is better in sensors. :?

 

[armage]

Type 98 or M1A2

 

[redsoulja]

whats the point of havign a poll if everyone votes for the country that they come from,
pppl u should be more realistic
my opinion the americans are at the helm of the battle tank technology and all,
curiously many of the recent books that i read propse that the tank is going to be dead and replaced by more mobile and faster, lighter systems, teh yanks are actually having a major program on this , i read it in a popsci book i forget what its called, maybe one of u kno wat its called, i can't remember some acronym

 

[neel24neo]

curiously many of the recent books that i read propse that the tank is going to be dead and replaced by more mobile and faster, lighter systems, teh yanks are actually having a major program on this , i read it in a popsci book i forget what its called, maybe one of u kno wat its called, i can't remember some acronym

ever since the arrival of anti tank weaponry in the pre-ww2 period these "experts" have been predicting the death of tanks.maybe better forms and models of tanks may come forth tommorow,but the concept of an armoured vehicle that has enormous firepower,offering superior protection,will always remain.

 

[Mike Powell]

Like Sun Tzu said "Know yourself, know your foe. And you won't imperiled in every battle.". In reality, any tank can potentially becomes a formidable foe, of course the more advanced the better one.

Well, for my opinion. China's Type 98, German Leopard and Isreal's Merkava are the best tanks in the world for their ability and durability.

 

[Aussie Digger]

Lot's of "pseudo-intellectuals" who have never served a day of military service in their lives, don't like heavy armour, and have been predicting the iminent demise of the tank ever since it was invented.

They view the idea of brute military force that a tank provides as "crude and uncouth" and they most definitely don't fit in with their nice clean "surgical" ideals of how warfare should be conducted...

Unfortunately warfare is rarely clean and "surgical". It is a horrible nasty business. Tanks have proven themselves in conflict over and over again... Much to the chagrin of the upperclass military "experts"...

 

[Boyle]

Its great having a fast well equiped tank but you have to weigh the virtues you have to have it at a good price fast cheap and reliable because you may have 20 of the best tanks in the world on your side but they may have 100+ of ex Soviet T62/T72

But Remember it isnt allways the gunslinger that can Draw faster that wins the Duel its the one that lands the first shot Acuratly

Forgive spelling

 

[gf0012-aust]

Its great having a fast well equiped tank but you have to weigh the virtues you have to have it at a good price fast cheap and reliable because you may have 20 of the best tanks in the world on your side but they may have 100+ of ex Soviet T62/T72

But Remember it isnt allways the gunslinger that can Draw faster that wins the Duel its the one that lands the first shot Acuratly

Forgive spelling

and every T-72 user on the planet noted the outcome of 73 Easting in Iraq. 6 x Abrams cleaned up close to 24 T-72's at the T-72's point blank killing range. They engaged in a dust storm and effected massive kills.

It's not only the tank - it's the training. In the case of the US - the NTC training means that they train as they fight.

or we can look at the Chally 2 which survived over 20 RPG7 direct strikes and was only mobility killed. Then there is the example of the Chally 2 that killed 2 x T-72's at 4km. 1 shot, 2 x kills.

Then there are the other examples of Israeli modified Shermans killing Syrian T-72's. - Training and efficiency.

 

[Patzek]

Well, The Merkava MK4 is definitely the best, and the most technologic tank in the world, and i wont start to say why because this thread raised evreything.

I'll just put some cute pictures that i found over the net

[size=+1]10P Revolving Magazine of the Merkava Mk. 4[/size]

:O

 

[nz enthusiast]

Well i like the Russian T-90 and the what i read about its self protection system.
It carries a 125mm cannon capable of firing Heat and he-frag projectiles as well as laser guided missile armed with HEAT warheads.

Its optronic countermeasure system, the tank automatically detects and disrupts any enemy targeting or range finding device

it can then use a high powered laser to directly attack the enemys weapons optics or gunner

when fitted with a snorkel it can cross rivers or lakes anywhere up to 5 metres deep

Most of the T-90 is covered with explosive reactive bricks, these bricks detonate upon contact with a warhead, projecting the explosion away from the tank