China to build aircraft carrier

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EnigmaNZ said:
Should be good for sales of submarines in the area as a way to counter the carrier.
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The day that they slip a carrier is the day that she ends up with unofficial escorts.

I imagine that submarine sales in the region are going to go up as well. Some of our northern neighbours have been practising following large ships for years (especially around the pirate infested areas). They are already "trained" up psychologically to chase and contest large vessels.

I'm wondering whether Brahmos sales will be more forthcoming now as well.
 
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doggychow14

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Yes, definitely. Although the numbers built would only support 1 x Carrier. I just have a doubt as to the validity of the story as China appears to be building a 2 Ocean committment. If thats the case then she need to have 2-3 times the number of "specialised vessels" that she currently has
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Well based on China's 2x2 approach when laying down destroyers, it seems China's is undergoing a trial and error test phase. In the future, i think production will step up when China's finds a suitable mature platform and develops more experience with the advanced vessels that is currently undergoing sea trials.
 
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jani

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china can make these aircraft carriers in no time you dont know the chinese technology which is now more strengith
 
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china can make these aircraft carriers in no time you dont know the chinese technology which is now more strengith
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Considering China has NO experience in building carriers how do you expect them to build it in no time
 
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jani said:
china can make these aircraft carriers in no time you dont know the chinese technology which is now more strengith
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How about reading all the prev discussions as to why this is more than just an issue of slipping a hull into the water??

The issue has very little to do with slipping a hull - there are more numerous and critical issues that have to be attended to before this.

making one off comments that ignore the reality of how complex the overall requirements are to support such a vessel demonstrates enthusiasm more than a comprehension of what needs to be done.

I don't care if they can build the damn thing in less than two years (against all the trends and known data of the time it takes to build a lead modern capital vessel throughout modern history), it's the other stuff that needs to be dealt with as well. Look at recent shipbuilding exercises on less complex unsupported systems and you might begin to appreciate what else is at hand here.
 
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First one is a theme park. Second one, I have no idea, but definetely not chinese.

Maybe I should put it this way, china has ACs but PLAN does not have one yet. When is that going change? Let's keep watching.
 
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Francois

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Cv ops are nothing like a walk in the woods.
It is funny as these ppl get all excited seeing some old cv and thinking of the PLA-N raming all the world. What is their escort, how long time did they train on them.
Look how russians are in pain to operate their Kuzn!

But, as it is some fashion to boast the impossible online, I will leave it to it LOL
 
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wp2000

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I kind of agree with Francois. We should really stick to what's happenning to Varyag. No point in imagining things. China still has a long way to go to form the first CV group. We are just lucky, as military fans (not everybody here is to boast his own ego), to see something happenning. Whether china can achieve her goal or not is another matter, all I want to see is something real, not just pure news reports or analysis.
 
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Chinese AC program

As we all know China has recently got involved in a problem that is really important, not only cause it is a super power with no AC but also to support the Air bases and develop their own fighter jet which are capable of landing on an AC (J-10) the J-11 also is interesting news for the PLAAF, for the fact that it is able to land on carriers. However, these programs have took alot of time and have pointed out many different parts where the PLAAF needs to improve. As a super power they need to have some.. in my opinion. As also i am here to discuss who will be the first to get involved and be the country to first to buy AC's from China. I am placing my bet PAK cause they trust us, and we are a friendly country to them. Also by aquiring AC's in early 2025 or possibly beyond 2025 we will be giving our Air force and not to mention navy a BIG punch.

please dicuss these matters here as we do not want to upset the ADMIN:cool:
 
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Francois said:
Cv ops are nothing like a walk in the woods.
It is funny as these ppl get all excited seeing some old cv and thinking of the PLA-N raming all the world. What is their escort, how long time did they train on them.
Look how russians are in pain to operate their Kuzn!

But, as it is some fashion to boast the impossible online, I will leave it to it LOL
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so, how long do you think it will take the plan to finish, comssion, ans get their carrier operational? i say if they begin work on varyag in 06, they can complete it by 08, commision it in 09, and get it in operetion by 2010. by 2020, the chinese may fairly fluent with operation of their carrier and may be already operating more.
 
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Whiskyjack

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There was an article in the July/August edition of Asia Pacific Defence Reporter that the Chinese are actually going to complete the carrier Varyag, which they bought 70% complete from the Russians a few years ago. There are pictures of the Varyag in dock. She was moveed in to dock in April this year and during MAy and June sand blasting and external preservation work was started. It is under military guard and no one is talking. It is also pointed out that the completion of the carrier will be made easier by the fact that no wiring was completed which means it can be done from scratch. The author of the article believes that the carrier will be a training carrier. However the central military committee has approved the creation of twio Carrier Battle Groups. This has been confirmed by sources in China, Japan and Taiwan.

Expect these to be fully operational by late next decade.
 
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Whiskyjack said:
Expect these to be fully operational by late next decade.
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which is what I've been saying on various forums for the past 18 months, any carrier capability is not going to be realised within a 5 year break - and that the PLAN cannot get functioning carriers and the attendant battlegroups up and running, competitive and prepared within 8 years.

and I'll say again, that 2 x carriers gives them no real redundancy. The US, UK, India, Canada and Australia all learnt that decades ago. It's also why the UK is going for 3 minimum and why India also will be going for 3 of "capability" minimum.
 
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Whiskyjack

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I totally agree with gf, media and others who know nothing of the defence area constantly panic over a countries 'percieved' capabilities. It takes decades to build a core defence capability these days, and days to throw it away.

amateurs discuss tactics, professionals discuss logistics
 
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With the improved power projection of carrier battle groups in chinas inventory in the future will the US navy react by blostering its presence in the region? Or do they already have the means to offset the influence of battle group as it is? Im sure there will be some sort of reaction by Washington to chinese carriers operating the region.
 
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