Royal New Zealand Navy Discussions and Updates
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National governments of recient years have shown a reluctance to spend money on capital projects for defence. They will quote a lack of funds, but they are the ones who did the tax cuts. Recently most major projects have dragged on untill the next non national controlled government before funding has become available, so this delay is quite normal.
kiwipatriot69
Active Member
I would say all those gulf states being struck by missiles and drones right now from Iran and the shipping from there might require some attention
Yes NZ Air defence 2 frigates with around 200 missiles doesn't cut the mustard in modern warfare.
I read that as "Air NZ" for a moment, and my mind froze for a second, haha
CJohn
Active Member
These new Sakura class OPV's could be a reasonable contender for future replacement of the current RNZN OPV's Wellington and Otago.
These are impressive vessels regarding their build time schedules, their overall utility and pretty reasonable cost for an OPV.
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chuckhillscgblog.net
Just add an ice belt for work in the Southern Ocean and upgrade defensive armament to something like a BAE 40mm MK4 would be my preference.
These are impressive vessels regarding their build time schedules, their overall utility and pretty reasonable cost for an OPV.
Sakura-class patrol ship - Wikipedia
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Offshore Patrol Vessels for the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force Launched
Naval News reports the launch of the first two of twelve Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV) for the Japanese Navy. “The new patrol vessels measure 95 meters (312 ft) in length, with a standard dis…
chuckhillscgblog.net
NZ Government should put in a order for 4 of these, and 4 to 6 Mogami ships along with Australia's order.These new Sakura class OPV's could be a reasonable contender for future replacement of the current RNZN OPV's Wellington and Otago.
These are impressive vessels regarding their build time schedules, their overall utility and pretty reasonable cost for an OPV.
Sakura-class patrol ship - Wikipedia
Just add an ice belt for work in the Southern Ocean and upgrade defensive armament to something like a BAE 40mm MK4 would be my preference.Offshore Patrol Vessels for the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force Launched
Naval News reports the launch of the first two of twelve Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV) for the Japanese Navy. “The new patrol vessels measure 95 meters (312 ft) in length, with a standard dis…
A 777 or a 787 fully decked out, ready for war.
kiwipatriot69
Active Member
If we could get some of these with a possible mogami frigates buy maybe they will be cheaper? Is it the same manufacturer?These new Sakura class OPV's could be a reasonable contender for future replacement of the current RNZN OPV's Wellington and Otago.
These are impressive vessels regarding their build time schedules, their overall utility and pretty reasonable cost for an OPV.
Sakura-class patrol ship - Wikipedia
Just add an ice belt for work in the Southern Ocean and upgrade defensive armament to something like a BAE 40mm MK4 would be my preference.Offshore Patrol Vessels for the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force Launched
Naval News reports the launch of the first two of twelve Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV) for the Japanese Navy. “The new patrol vessels measure 95 meters (312 ft) in length, with a standard dis…
Nighthawk.NZ
Well-Known Member
It isn't that easy just saying, just add the ice belt. Adding an ice belt can effect C.O.G of the vessel and needs re-engineering etc, which effects how a ship handles different waves and swells... internally it will need to be redesigned to add the extra strength required as it no just the case of using thicker steel.... also adds extra weight which may mean it goes beyond or limit reserve weight percentage for upgrades down the track... ie; like what happened to current OPV's
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Ice capable ships really need to be designed as such. For starters, they have frames which are placed closer together than they would be for a similar ship which was not ice capable. Things like the rise to the stern are designed to shed ice, not trap it, propellers and rudders (or their equivalents) are designed so as to limit the possibility of damage by ice. Other underwater fittings, similarly, are designed so as to not be fouled by ice. And that ignores issues of reserve buoyancy and stability. So it is not a simple process of just making the hull thicker.
CJohn
Active Member
Yes, to be honest, fair points all, and possibly not doable. It was the Ship builders low unit cost of these OPV's at $66 Million USD that sparked the interest in this idea.
kiwipatriot69
Active Member
I think its still has merit..That is if the govt truly intended to go ahead with the dedicated SOPV.to compliment Aotearoa who is also ice strengthened and winterized for operation in the antartic conditions.
Two OPV would be used for constabulaty duties on our coast and in the pacific plenty without jaunts down to the sub Antarctic and artic waters. Just hope Govt doesnt buy two of these and just two frigates again.
Catalina
Active Member
Military Cooperation & Integration with Australia to deepen
17/3/26: Australian & New Zealand Governments release the ANZAC 2035 - Closer Defence Relations Statement
Lets hope this leads to our navy purchasing Improved Mogami Class Frigates to work in with our Ozzie allies who have ordered 11 of them to replace their ANZAC class frigates.
17/3/26: Australian & New Zealand Governments release the ANZAC 2035 - Closer Defence Relations Statement
Lets hope this leads to our navy purchasing Improved Mogami Class Frigates to work in with our Ozzie allies who have ordered 11 of them to replace their ANZAC class frigates.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
I know budget is always a major issue in NZ (as in my country) and the Mogami is a cost effective option. I really don't know how well its ASW capabilities compare with T26 Hunter or River but NZ's biggest threat is naval blockade which is likely to be via submarine. P-8s will help but would NZ be better served with Hunters or with Mogami frigates? WRT NZ-AU naval integration, surely from a delivery POV, Mogami frigates would likely be sourced from Japan rather than Australia?
What ever they get or don't get, numbers is going to be the problem as at this stage it looks like they are only looking at 2 frigates. IMHO the reduction in numbers of P8's and only 2 frigates is less than the minimum required to start to be effective. The current DCP is simply an attempt by the pollies to be seen to be doing something without actually achieving anything worthwhile.
The Mogamis is quite a competent ASW platform with good ASW sensors. It’s not as good as a Hunter but then few things are. It’s also between a quarter and a third the price, and needs only about 2/3rds the ship’s company.
If I was NZ I would build in Japan - faster and probably cheaper. But I would build to the RAN spec so that, like the Anzac in the early days, they would be truly compatible.
If I was NZ I would build in Japan - faster and probably cheaper. But I would build to the RAN spec so that, like the Anzac in the early days, they would be truly compatible.
NZ still needs to work out the navy it wants and can afford.
If they want a major warship, I only see one choice.
Mogami Class, Australian specked built in Japan.
A minimum of three ships
The Mogami Class should prove to be a good mid sized affordable warship able to contribute across all domains
Ticks the multiple boxes of capability , affordability, partner relationships, crew size and time to service
Forget Hunters and Type 31.
Again what does NZs future fleet look like.
Majors or not?
Cheers S
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John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Hopefully the quantity number isn't the same as the choice number.
