KipPotapych
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^ David D is the guy who steals maps from others and posts nonsense. I mentioned him a few times. One example:




What the hell this has got to do with what I posted I don't know. I will say that Nigeria is a sovereign country and it is up to them to sort their problems.am sure that when Nigeria stop doing want you want them to, you will jump in and arm the Igbo's against the Hausa like you do every where, because the Igbos don't like the Hausa after losing to them in the Nigerian civil war. the Ukrainians don't like the Poles, the Poles don't like the Ukrainians. who do we arm? Poland or Ukraine? it's nice for the big guy to kidnap the president of Venezuela right and bomb Iran for no reason. where are the sanctions? you guys like to steal oil and resources that belong to others? you don't hide it anymore, you make it clear, we are going there to get the oil.
All this Ukrainian AI developments, targeting, etc? In my opinion, the probability is close to zero that Ukrainians develop the stuff themselves (they certainly do, but the proportion of home-developed stuff is most likely minuscule in comparison, if not negligible, proportionally speaking). But they are paying for it, like someone said, the highest price, in blood and (my addition) the future of the country.
Ukrainians and Russians have a saying “don’t make my sleepers laugh”. This applies to Ukrainians selling their tech to the US and Europe. You can’t sell what the potential buyer provided to you (at no monetary cost) back to the buyer. All you can do is sell back the field reports so that the “buyer” can make improvements and provide you back with (in other words sell you) a better product (it’s a barter, field testing for equipment). Once the product reaches sufficient “perfection”, the “buyer” will stop supplying the product to you for free, but at some nominal reduced cost (best-case scenario) because your returning field reports have lower value than they did initially, but you will still be sending the feedback because product improvement is in your core interests.

I should also add that you can often say by looking at the product whether it is a Ukrainian development/assembly or west-provided piece of equipment.

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you brought up the argument that Ukraine hates Russia, not me. i can give you loads of examples where people don't like each other and still live together even after fighting a major war. your argument that Ukraine don't like the Russia as one of the reasons we have to arm Ukraine don't make sense. there are a lot of countries where tribes don't like each other, what should we do, go there and arm them to fight each other? i also spoke about Poland hating Ukraine, you didn't comment on that.What the hell this has got to do with what I posted I don't know. I will say that Nigeria is a sovereign country and it is up to them to sort their problems.
Ukraine was however INVADED by Russia even though Russia had previously signed a treaty to guarantee their borders in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nuclear weapons.
Your less that intelligent rave about who hates who is irrelevant as it only seems to be a point scoring exercise in my reply to what you wrote regarding brotherly neighbour to what Russia was to ukraine and as I said brotherly neighbours don't invade next door.
As for the excesses of DT there are no excuses.
Baffling. Since when has New Zealand armed one side "everywhere"?am sure that when Nigeria stop doing want you want them to, you will jump in and arm the Igbo's against the Hausa like you do every where,
it's nice for the big guy to kidnap the president of Venezuela right and bomb Iran for no reason. where are the sanctions? you guys like to steal oil and resources that belong to others? you don't hide it anymore, you make it clear, we are going there to get the oil.
Again & again, what does this have to do with NZ? Rob c isn't American, & AFAIK he doesn't support Trump.So you can invade any country you like and Russia can't?
On X you can also say that Ukraine won the war...it's like Lord Bebo was reading our thread. the Bet hasn't been placed yet and it's look like i will win it.
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Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) on X
Fights between guest workers and Ukrainians break out in Lviv Hey, sending your population to die while importing new guys … certainly can’t backfire. https://t.co/YC5TKkJxfwx.com
my statement wasn't totally out of place, most of you don't want to acknowledge that Ukraine can't fight by it self, you want us to live in the hallucination that small Ukraine is winning and standing up to big Russia, it's a fat lie am sorry to say.
Reality will set in soon, historians will not forget that Russia beat all of NATO in Ukraine
Stop being a mouthpiece for the Kremlin. If UKR didnt want to fight, they wouldnt. This shouldnt be confusing to you. No one is forcing UKR to fight, they are aiding UKR in the fight.No, they didn't. you forget Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande publicly admitted to dragging the Minsk 2 agreement to no where so that Ukraine can arm up and be ready to fight. you forget Boris Johnsons role in torpedoing Istanbul?
or is it the English?
Please explain how possibly owing money is "selling your sovereignty" ? Various countries owe debts to each other without being vassal states (which is what RU wants from UKR). The vast majority of the UKR debt is going to be written off in any case.How much does Ukraine owe the west and please advise when they will pay back? how do they keep getting money when they can't pay back?
OK, Im stunned by this bit of "logic". "If many people in UKR speak Russian, we shouldnt arm UKR."Ukraine already speak Russian, arming them don't make sense, it will only make the Russians double down
Suchomimus says this is a fake image.Looked around, it seems like an AI generated image for people like David D. to gobble up and espouse as absolute fact. Though rear logistics are still being hit hard in reality, and is a evolving problem for both sides.
I know Rob is not American, am just responding to Rob because he's commenting on what i said and he seem to have picked sides already, Rob likes to call out Russia as the big bad bully, Rob forgets that it's not just Russia that's in the game of invading others, when i point that out, your trying to remind me that Rob is not American. ok coolBaffling. Since when has New Zealand armed one side "everywhere"?
Again & again, what does this have to do with NZ? Rob c isn't American, & AFAIK he doesn't support Trump.
Classic "whataboutism'. Feel free to bring up the Venezuela topic in the proper forums.I know Rob is not American, am just responding to Rob because he's commenting on what i said and he seem to have picked sides already, Rob likes to call out Russia as the big bad bully, Rob forgets that it's not just Russia that's in the game of invading others, when i point that out, your trying to remind me that Rob is not American. ok cool
anyone claiming Ukraine won or will win is living in fantasy land, sooner or later, reality will catch up with themOn X you can also say that Ukraine won the war...
Have you try to verify your own Fairy Tale? (Those fights are not happening.)
What is happening in NI, are entire neighborhoods been burnt, is the Police and the Army shooting civilians, like in the past?
Am talking facts and your talking about Kremlin mouthpiece, anytime you come in contact with truth you try to wave it off has Kremlin mouthpiece or propaganda.. you didn't respond to Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande openly saying they dragged Minsk to buy time for Ukraine to arm up and fight. was it the Kremlin that told them to acknowledge that they had done this?Stop being a mouthpiece for the Kremlin. If UKR didnt want to fight, they wouldnt. This shouldnt be confusing to you. No one is forcing UKR to fight, they are aiding UKR in the fight.
Istanbul was a no-go from the beginning. RU demands (disarming, etc) were impossible to accept. A google search reiterates and summarizes relevant points:
"Ukrainian leadership, including President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, has downplayed Johnson’s role in stopping the deal. They argue the framework proposed by Russia was unacceptable, lacked security guarantees, and that the opportunity for peace had already dissipated by the time Johnson"
Ukraine won't pay back it's debt, it will be written off? it's clear to see, who Russia is truly Fighting. continue arming them. Ukraine is draining your stock piles, keep supplyingPlease explain how possibly owing money is "selling your sovereignty" ? Various countries owe debts to each other without being vassal states (which is what RU wants from UKR). The vast majority of the UKR debt is going to be written off in any case.
OK, Im stunned by this bit of "logic". "If many people in UKR speak Russian, we shouldnt arm UKR."
This is the best you can do ?
oh yes, you haven't been reading the thread, Venezuela already came up. you proud of that achievement right. no shame, just double standards all dayClassic "whataboutism'. Feel free to bring up the Venezuela topic in the proper forums.