The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[rsemmes]

how can you know that a man is corrupt and still give him huge amounts of money?

Water companies in the UK.

"Ukraine is corrupt down to the grassroot."
Another one of those Fairy Tale statements that we often see. There is corruption in Ukraine, you point your finger at corruption that you don't like. Ukraine is still working, its not the end of the world.

 

[deyhere]

Their motivation for fighting the war is a different point altogether and not related to my statement. My point was simply that diminishing Ukraine’s contribution as “only boots on the ground” is bizarre.

Ukraine has been on life support for ages, let NATO stop, let's see how long Ukraine will last. don't hype Ukraine, they are being breastfeed all the way.

 

[personaldesas]

Ukraine has been on life support for ages, let NATO stop, let's see how long Ukraine will last. don't hype Ukraine, they are being breastfeed all the way.

I know you are trying to bait me into defending a point I did not make, but I am not interested.
My point was very simple: Ukrainians are paying with their lives, so framing them as freeloaders is obscene.
That is all I meant, and I am not going to keep engaging with this.

 

[personaldesas]

I know you are trying to bait me into defending a point I did not make, but I am not interested.
My point was very simple: Ukrainians are paying with their lives, so framing them as freeloaders is obscene.
That is all I meant, and I am not going to keep engaging with this.

And yes, I would make the same point about Russian soldiers too if someone dismissed the human cost and suffering on their side.

 

[Redshift]

Because I expect people reading this thread being familiar with "different countries supporting different projects at different levels". Was SK invited to the planning of the Robotine offensive? Its shells were used there or the US replaced them one by one?

You are just deliberately attempting to pose NATO as in some sort of permanent opposition to Russia (which it never was before this ludicrous war).

You are continually attempting to position the West via your made up catch-all terms as perpetually in the wrong and perpetually hypocritical, it's getting a bit long in the tooth now.

 

[deyhere]

I know you are trying to bait me into defending a point I did not make, but I am not interested.
My point was very simple: Ukrainians are paying with their lives, so framing them as freeloaders is obscene.
That is all I meant, and I am not going to keep engaging with this.

i get you, Ukraine is paying with their lives, but for what thou? no one asked them to fight, they would have sort for peace with their neighbourly brothers but they chose to fight for NATO and freedom. once in a lifetime opportunity to beat the Russians. go on then.

 

[Rob c]

i get you, Ukraine is paying with their lives, but for what thou? no one asked them to fight, they would have sort for peace with their neighbourly brothers but they chose to fight for NATO and freedom. once in a lifetime opportunity to beat the Russians. go on then.

No, they chose to fight for their soverengty and freedom as most countries would who were invaded if they had the capability. I think you will find that most ethnic Ukrainians actually don't like Russia and that is why they left when the USSR broke up, so neighbourly brothers is a ridiculous description.

 

[deyhere]

You are just deliberately attempting to pose NATO as in some sort of permanent opposition to Russia (which it never was before this ludicrous war).

You are continually attempting to position the West via your made up catch-all terms as perpetually in the wrong and perpetually hypocritical, it's getting a bit long in the tooth now.

NATO was originally formed to deter Soviet expansionism and Russia is the sole heir of the Soviet union. NATO has been in permanent opposition to the Soviet Union and now Russia. they wanted Georgia and Ukraine in NATO, they are making attempts to get Armenia into their orbit too.

The West is not innocent in this matter, too much double standards, it's totally hypocritical.
Russia was in a lot of trouble before Gaza and Iran, they were running a risk of total isolation from the West and the rest of the world, but after Gaza and Iran, the rest of the world have had enough. they don't care what the West says anymore, it becoming a joke

 

[John Fedup]

Another TWZ article on Ukrainian UAV efforts against Russia. Betting a lot of defence planners around the world are having ugly internal arguments as to which future defence investments should have priority.

Inside Ukraine's AI-Enabled Drone Campaign Targeting Russian Logistics Deep Behind The Lines

 

[rsemmes]

permanent opposition to Russia (which it never was before this ludicrous war)

Actually, for the Robotine offensive (before, probably, when "NATO" decided that Ukraine was not going to be swallowed in a weekend). On the other hand, Russia was never a "partner", more like the competition.

attempting to position the West

The "attempt" is History and not "the West", every single government ever; all of them. I am "permanently" surprised with how some people think (or pretend) that they are living in a Disney film, were the king is noble and true to his word; and the wolf is evil.

 

[deyhere]

No, they chose to fight for their soverengty and freedom as most countries would who were invaded if they had the capability. I think you will find that most ethnic Ukrainians actually don't like Russia and that is why they left when the USSR broke up, so neighbourly brothers is a ridiculous description.

they chose to fight for freedom by selling their sovereignty to the west? and they don't have the capability to defend them self so they got the west to help, when you look at the sanctions and the financial restrictions placed on Russia by the west, you will think that this is our war, the west is so invested in this war that if Ukraine don't win this, the shame and stigma will linger for a very long time.

not most, some Ukrainians don't like Russia, that's perfectly fine. because they don't like Russia, don't mean we should go and arm them to go get the Russians, in fact this is what we do very well, we always try to arm a faction to fight against countries we don't like, it almost happened to the Iranian Kurds, Trump tried to get the Kurds to fight Iran with him but the Kurds were smart, they dodged it clean.. Ukraine kind of stupid

 

[rsemmes]

they chose to fight for freedom by selling their sovereignty to the west?

"so they got the west to help" + "Ukraine kind of stupid"

I'm afraid you're you are living in a Disney film too, just a different one.
By "selling their sovereignty" you mean that each side wanted Ukraine in its own sphere of influence, I guess; something logical for both sides.
Like Iran during the Iraq-Iran war or now, or like Spain during the SCW, you get weapons where you can; something logical for both sides.

 

[deyhere]

Another TWZ article on Ukrainian UAV efforts against Russia. Betting a lot of defence planners around the world are having ugly internal arguments as to which future defence investments should have priority.

Inside Ukraine's AI-Enabled Drone Campaign Targeting Russian Logistics Deep Behind The Lines

been following this development for close to two weeks now, Russian logistics is crumbling all the way to Crimea. am seeing rumours that the 337th regiment is redrawing from Kinburn spit because of lack of supplies. it's not coming from a very trusted source so am still watching to see if it's confirmed.