The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

Feanor

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I haven't really had time to update, but the situation hasn't changed drastically. Russian forces have continued to advance inside Kupyansk, around Krasniy Liman, around Seversk, inside Pokrovsk, and into eastern Zaporozhye and southern Dnepropetrovsk. The fighting around the salient continues much as before, with Russian lines into it still open and Ukraine still trying to cut them. The situation around Konstantinovka seems to be more static, and with some fighting around Kleban-Byk seemingly aimed at trying to cut the last road out of Ukrainian positions south of the reservoir where some units were pinned against the reservoir previously.
 

rsemmes

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Is Ukraine complaining about China doing what NATO is doing?

Would that "senior official" complain of China providing Ukraine with intelligence? (Or does he simply think that everybody else is stupid or willing to swallow whatever he says?)
 

Hoover

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Is Ukraine complaining about China doing what NATO is doing?

Would that "senior official" complain of China providing Ukraine with intelligence? (Or does he simply think that everybody else is stupid or willing to swallow whatever he says?)
Maybe you missed a part. China claimes to be neutral and denies every delivery of weapons, ammo or other support of the Russian aggression. China delivers motors and electronics for drones, rockets etc
It will be harder every time for the Ukraine supporter to ignore that China is a supporter of Russia and not to react to that.
 

rsemmes

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Maybe you missed a part. China claimes to be neutral and denies every delivery of weapons, ammo or other support of the Russian aggression. China delivers motors and electronics for drones, rockets etc
It will be harder every time for the Ukraine supporter to ignore that China is a supporter of Russia and not to react to that.
Is that official complaining about China claiming to be neutral?
Are you missing something?
 

Feanor

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Some analysts are starting to wonder if there’s an inflection point approaching in the near future.


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I think the opposite is true. Russia is on track to capture the rest of Donetsk region in ~12 months. But we've seen statements like this about time not being on Russia's side repeatedly over the past several years. The reality of this war has gone in the opposite direction.

I don't know. How does he know this? Where is he getting his information? Russian sources have talked about several Marine and VDV units redeploying to the salient north of Mirnograd. And we just saw Russian troops break in and seize the high-rise district in southern Pokrovsk. So it doesn't look like there's a shortage of forces there.

EDIT: Here's another thought. What does he mean by "south of Pokrovsk"? When I first read that I took it very literally. Town of Pokrovsk, go south, there's Russian units there assaulting the town. But he's talking about being south of Novopavlovka. That's not south of Pokrovsk. That's west-south-west of Pokrovsk. Is he talking about the section of front line from Udachnoe down to Filiya-Ivanovka? To me that's west of Pokrovsk, but it's hard to tell from something so short and vague if that's what he means.
 
I don't know. How does he know this?
These are the sources he mentions here:


Some more context:
@WarUnitObserver said:
Their likely goal is to expand to the west towards the river and cross it in the north towards Novopavlivka. - X.com
 

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I think the opposite is true. Russia is on track to capture the rest of Donetsk region in ~12 months. But we've seen statements like this about time not being on Russia's side repeatedly over the past several years. The reality of this war has gone in the opposite direction.
Certainly true. But at least the people floating the possibility now (IISS affiliated people, like Rob Lee, Michael Kofman, Gould-Davies) don’t strike me as pro-Ukrainian propagandists, rather as people trying to be factual. So I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility outright. It’s also worth noting that they don’t present it as a certainty, but as as a possible that there might be an inflection point.

Rob Lee continues saying
Rob Lee said:
Given Putin's fixation on Ukraine and Russia's capacity for enduring high costs, we should be prepared for the war to continue well into 2026 though. Improving the manpower situation in Ukrainian brigades and continued foreign support remain critical. - X.com
 
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Feanor

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These are the sources he mentions here:


Some more context:
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The first, third, and fourth links are missing persons posts on VK with an alleged last known location. The all 3 links talks about MIA Russian service members that have been missing since July. I'm not sure how that's an indication that now, in October, Russian units are moving in their entirety. The second is a Russian drone strike video. Maybe we can assume he knows what unit that drone strikes comes from and the exact location of where it's happening (I don't see either in the post itself) and has done the math and it indicates the unit has moved. I'd like to see the work though. I don't think this is convincing evidence of the movement of entire regiments. Are the units even deployed to Ukraine as regiments or as BTGs? In my reading I frequently come across Russia deploying pieces of units rather than entire units and we've definitely seen both Russia and Ukraine deploy one btln from a unit in one area and another btln in another area. We've also seen some brigades balloon in size to divisions and get split-deployed in different areas.
 
The first, third, and fourth links are missing persons posts on VK with an alleged last known location. The all 3 links talks about MIA Russian service members that have been missing since July. I'm not sure how that's an indication that now, in October, Russian units are moving in their entirety. The second is a Russian drone strike video. Maybe we can assume he knows what unit that drone strikes comes from and the exact location of where it's happening (I don't see either in the post itself) and has done the math and it indicates the unit has moved. I'd like to see the work though. I don't think this is convincing evidence of the movement of entire regiments. Are the units even deployed to Ukraine as regiments or as BTGs? In my reading I frequently come across Russia deploying pieces of units rather than entire units and we've definitely seen both Russia and Ukraine deploy one btln from a unit in one area and another btln in another area. We've also seen some brigades balloon in size to divisions and get split-deployed in different areas.
Your guess is much likely better than mine. We’ll see how it plays out, and then we can use this as a baseline to judge this X user’s claims more accurately in the future.
 

Feanor

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Update.

Sumy region.

Ukrainian forces regained some ground in Sumy region, pushing back into Alekseevka, and continuing to gain ground around Kondrashovka.


Russian Lancet strikes hitting Ukrainian construction equipment engaged in building defense lines in Rzhanoe, Sumy region.


Kharkov area.


Russian forces continue to inch forward in Volchansk, on the western side of town across the river.


Russian Kh-38 strike on what appears to be a Ukrainian position in Liptsi, Kharkov region.


Kupyansk area.

Russian forces continue to push forward in Kupyansk in two prongs. One is in the center of town, along the river, the other is along the western side of town cutting off Ukrainian logistics. There is now a deep Ukrainian salient in northern Kupyansk, though it's possible Ukraine actually pulled out and Russia just hasn't cleared the area yet. It looks like the right shore of Kupyansk is about to fall. On the left short of the Oskol Russian forces continue to gain ground around Zeleniy Gay, south-east of Lozovaya. North of Kupyansk Russian forces have gained ground around Kamyanka, Krasnoe Pervoe, and both west and east of Otradnoe.


Russian drone hits a Ukrainian FV432 near Kupyansk.


Krasniy Liman area.

This area will now be used to talk about everything north and west of the Seversk salient. Russian forces are closing in on Krasniy Liman for the second time, and eventually this will be the northern approach to Slavyansk.

Derylovo is fully under Russian control and Russia has pushed southward reaching Drobyshevo. Russia has also taken the northeastern partof Yampol'. Russian forces have taken all of Zarechnoe and a chunk of forest south of it, pushing to link up with Russian forces advancing in Yampol'. Northwest of Zarechnoe Russian forces have pushed along the road, threatening any remaining Ukrainian forces in Mirnoe with encirclement. Russian forces have also pushed up to Stavki, the last village north of Krasniy Liman. Across the Nitrius river, Russian forces were pushed out of the central part of Novoselovka, and instead have entered it from the north, from the warehouses. They've also taken some ground west of Srednee.


Russian wire-guided drones are now reaching Kramatorsk, 25kms from the nearest front line.


Russia hit a bridge across the Severskiy Donets river near Raygorodok. It's part of Russia's continuing efforts to isolate the Krasniy Liman area.


Russia hit an industrial park in Kramatorsk where allegedly Ukraine's 81st Airmobile Bde was based.


Russia hit the Kramatorsk powerplant with an Iskander strike. Blackouts were reported in Druzhkovka, Slavyansk, and parts of Kramatorsk.


Russian strikes in Slavyansk, against allegedly Ukrainian military storage.


Russian Grad-1 and Giatsint-B operations of the 37th MRRgt in the Krasniy Liman area.


Seversk salient.


In the southern part of the salient Russian forces have taken the villages of Fedorovka, and Kuz'minovka. They have also taken a large chunk of ground around Vyemka along the rail berm and south-west of Novoselovka. In the northern part of the salient Russian forces have rolled forward north of Seversk taking the old Seversk settlement that used to stand there, and the mine complexes there.


Russian forces in Fedorovka.


Konstantinovka area.

Russian forces have taken Kleban-Byk and some land north and south of it along the reservoir. South of the reservoir they've taken another chunk of fields, squeezing any remaining Ukrainian positions against the reservoir. They've also taken the rest of the summer cottages south-east of Konstantinovka. They also pushed north-west along the road east of Ivanopol'ye. East of Konstantinovka Russian forces have finally taken the large patch of woods south-east of Predtechino and the country-side south of the mine area, and pushed back into the village of Predtechino. North-east of Konstantinovka Russian forces have taken several fields next to Mayskoe.


Russian strikes on allegedly Ukrainian infantry south of the Kleban-Byk reservoir.

 

Feanor

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Pokrovsk area.

The salient north of Mirnograd remains much the same. Russian forces have counter-attacked retaking all of Pankovka, Nikanorovka, and Novotoretskoe and entered Vladimirovka again. Russian forces also took and the lost Dorozhnoe which is now in no-man's land, and are now pushing towards Vol'noe Pole. Ukraine has recaptured Novoe Shakhovoe and some corrections were made north of Rusin Yar where Ukraine still holds a treeline previously thought lost. In Pokrovsk proper Russia has taken over the southern neighborhoods of the city, including the highrises there. On the western side Russian forces pushed northward to the rail line, in the face of some Ukrainian counter-attacks. West of the town the front line now largely runs along the rail line. South of Pokrovsk, Chunishino and the fields west of it have fallen to Russia. East of Mirnograd Russian forces have pushed through the outskirts of Mikhailovka and captured a mine shaft ventilation west, halfway to the town. Personally I'm not sure why they're bothering. The main efforts are clearly north of Mirnograd and on the western side of Pokrovsk, especially the latter as it's inching towards road to Grishino.


Russian drone strikes taking out a Bradley near Dorozhnoe.


Russian drones taking out a T-72 near Dorozhnoe.


Russia hit allegedly a Romanian-produced D-20 clone near Pokrovsk.


Russia hits what looks like a Caesar howitzer in Grishino.


Russian 2S4 and Msta-SM operations in the Pokrovsk area.


That destroyed Leo-2 in Pokrovsk that we saw get him in a prior update.


Destroyed Russian logistics vehicles in the Mirnograd area.


Russia hit Dobropol'ye, allegedly targeting Ukrainian staging areas.


An aerial shot of Mirnograd which is rapidly turning into ruins.


Dnepropetrovsk-Eastern Zaporozhye.

I'm combining this area since it's effectively one offensive effort from the Novopavlovka area down to Malinovka. I may split off the Gulyaypole part once the fighting starts there.

Ukraine has counter-attacked south of Velikomihailovka, pushing back into Sosnovka, and breaking into Yanvarskoe/Sichnevo. Ukraine's counter-attack on Verbovoe failed to take ground in the village, but took away Russian positiosn west of it. Meanwhile Russian forces have pushed up to the Yanchur river in a broad front, breaking into Poltavka, Okhotnoe, taking Novogrigorievka, Kalinovskoe, Stepovoe, Verbovoe and Novovasil'kovo. It appears Russian forces intend to cross the Yanchur river line in multiple places, threatening the route northward out of Gulyaypole. Ukraine is trying to prevent this by attacking southward, so far with very limited success. It remains to be seen if they can push far enough, which will likely require substantial additional forces. The last time they faced a crisis they had to pull troops from other areas, which is part of why this advance is happening.


In the Novopavlovka area Russian forces secured the western outskirts of Muravka but Ukrainian forces broke into Novonikolaevka from the north. In Ivanovka Russian forces gained more ground around the Volchya river.


Russian forces breaking into Novogrigorievka.


Russian strikes on Novogrigorievka.


Russia takes out a T-64BV near Verbovoe, Dnepropetrovsk region.


Russian Shahed strike on the village of Pokrovskoe.


Russian FAB-3000 strike on a bridge in Novopavlovka, and another one on Gulyaypole.


Russian bomb strike on Gavrilovka, Dnepropetrovsk region. One of the bombs notably misses the village, possibly affected by EW.


Ukrainian anti-drone corridor in Dnepropetrovsk region.


Zaporozhye region.

Ukraine has counter-attacked south of Malaya Tokmachka and regained a treeline. Meanwhile Russian forces have broken into the central part of Stepnogorsk.


A Ukrainian strike took out the powerline to the Zaporozhye NPP.


Dnepr front.

Russian drone strikes on Ukrainian boats on the Dnepr.


Russia hits a Ukrainian 2S22 in Kherson region.


Russian Tor-M2 operating on the Dnepr in Zaporozhye region.


Russia hit Kherson, reportedly somewhere near the powerplant and again targeting allegedly a drone assembly facility.


Russian LMUR strike on a rail bridge in Kherson.

 

Feanor

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Black Sea/Crimea.

Ukraine launched a large combined UAS and unmanned boat attack on Novorossiysk and the surrounding area. Some buildings in town were damaged, and some of the unmanned drones had rocket systems which they fired into the city. Also an oil terminal in the port was damaged and some drones were either brought down or struck targest in the center. While the attack was repelled, it's a bad sign for Russian that these unmanned boats got into the harbor. Presumably they were trying to hit Russian naval ships but apparently didn't.


Russian strikes on Ukrainian unmanned boats in the Black Sea.


In Crimea Ukraine hit the resort village of Foros striking a local school. 3 dead and 16 wounded civilians are reported. There's no evidence of any military targets there.


Ukrainian drones hit or attempt to hit two An-26s, two Be-12s, a Nebo-U radar and an Mi-8 in Crimea.


Satellite images confirm the loss of at least one An-26 in recent Ukrainian strikes at the Kacha airbase, Crimea. Two Be-12s are also missing, and one Be-12 shows evidence of a near miss.


Strikes.

There has been a fairly intense campaign by Russia to hit northern parts of Kiev region, Chernigov, and to some extent Sumy and Kharkov. The powergrid here is being hit harder then before, causing prolonged blackouts. There have also been quite a few strikes against trains and rail infrastructure. It almost looks like Russia is preparing for some sort of large move here, but I think this is unlikely.

Russia hit Kiev and targets cross the region including the Kalinovka fuel storage facility, and other targets in Bucha, Slavutich, Gostomel', and Irpen'. In Bucha reportedly rail infrastructure was hit. In Slavutich power infrastructure was hit, namely a substation that connects to the grind in Chernigov region. This strike might be related to the blackouts there. Some reports again suggest Russia tried to hit Patriot positions, but results are unclear, and evidence is lacking. These links represent at least two separate waves of strikes.


Russia hit Chernigov. Targets include the fuel storage facility, the local powerplant, two substations, and reportedly other energy infrastructure targets. A large blackout is reported in Chernigov. These links represent at least 3 waves of strikes.


Russia hit energy and rail infrastructure in Nezhin and Priluki, Chernigov region.


Russia hit allegedly a Ukrainian UAV control post near Pogorel'tsi, Chernigov region, using a different Shahed variant with the CRPA antenna in a different place. It's possible this is the camera-carrying variant.


Russia hit a train near Bobrovitsy, Chernigov region. This one was in motion at the time and appeared to be carrying vehicles. The strike was apparently carried out by a Shahed drone with a night camera.


Russia hit the Goncharovskiy training ground in Chernigov region. The strike combined Iskanders and Shahed drones and apparently involved camera-mounted Shaheds.


Russia hit a gather of trucks in Chernigov region, near the village of Lavy. Reportedly they were carrying long range drones. The strike was done by an Iskander and observed by what appears to be a camera-carrying Shahed variant.


Russia hit a gas distribution station in Khorobichi, Chernigov region.

 

Feanor

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Russia hit Shostka, Sumy region. Targets include energy infrastructure. Blackouts were reported after the strike.


Russia hit Konotop, Sumy region. Targets include a substation.


Russia hit a Ukrainian train in Shostka, Sumy region. While Ukrainian sources are claiming this was a strike on a passenger train, it appears to be a cargo train with one passenger car. The train was previously used in military logistics. It appears the strike was conducted with Shaheds that carry cameras.


Russia hit Kharkov. Targets reportedly include a factory, a powerlant, the Barabashovo autoparts market, and the Ivanovka, Bavariya and Losevaya substations. A substation located at the Yuzhkabel' factory was also hit. The autoparts market in question hasn't been active in some time, and may have been repurposed. The links represent at least 4 separate waves of strikes.


Russia hit the Tbilisi restaurant in Balakleya, Kharkov region. There are indications the restaurant was hosting a gather of Ukrainian military personnel.


Russia hit a number of Ukrainian vehicles with an Iskander strike in the village of Sredniy Burluk. This is south of the Melovoe area and west of Kupyansk. Some sources claim the targets were a HIMARS and supporting vehicles.


Russia hit Poltava region. Targets reportedly include gas infrastructure and a rail depot. There has been an uptick


Russia hit Dnepropetrovsk. Targets apparently include a call center used by Ukrainian scammers, a storage facility, and a company office that develops UAVs called RC Direction. This represents at least 3 separate waves of strikes.


Russia hit a train near Pavlograd, at Aromatnoe station.


Russia hit the Kamenka airfield in Dnepropetrovsk region, where allegedly Yak-52s and Ukrainian drones are based.


Russia hit what appears to be a Patriot radar near Svetlogorskoe, Dnepropetrovsk region.


Russia hit Krivoy Rog, targeting energy infrastructure including the powerplant. It's unclear if this is one or two strikes.


Russia hit Zaporozhye with a combination of drones, bombs, MLRS rockets, and missiles. Targets include the Omel'chenko Machine Building factory, a Motor Sich facility, and a military administrative office. The links represent at least 4 waves of strikes, with two hitting Motor Sich targets.


A separate strike on Zaporozhye city took out allegedly an armored vehicle repair facility.


Russian strikes landed in Odessa. Targets include a local rail depot and the port at Chernomorsk. These links are at least 3 separate waves of strikes.


Russian Iskander strike on Izmail.


There are reports of Russian ballistic missile impacts near Shkol'niy airfield, Odessa region.

 

Feanor

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Russia hit Vinnitsa.


Russian Shaheds and missiles hit L'vov. Targets include the Sparrow Park industrial facility, a power plant, and a gas storage facility in Striy, L'vov region.


Ukrainian drone defense teams in action. Footage like this has become less common since January.


Ukrainian Yak-52 presumably doing drone interceptions in Chernigov region.


Ukrainian F-16 engaging a Russian drone with its cannon.


A Ukrainian An-28 with markings of of downed Russian inbounds. Presumably it's being used to hunt drones.


Russian drones were found in Romania, it's unclear when they went down.


An interesting look at a Russian Gerber decoy with a rear camera to try and dodge interceptor drones.


There are claims Russia's new Banderol' missile was used in a recent wave of strikes.


Ukraine hit the Kirishi oil refinery in Leningrad region. There was Russian AAA fire reported, indicating that Russia is taking steps to protect these facilities, but they are obviously not enough.


Ukrainian An-196 drones hit an oil refinery in Orsk, Orenburg region.


Ukraine hit the Sverdlov explosives plant in Nizhni Novgorod region.


There are reports Ukraine hit the Tymen' oil refinery, and other reports that UAVs were found but didn't hit anything in Tyumen' region. Details are lacking, and it's possible both reports are true, with some drones hitting the refinery, and others failing to reach it and falling somewhere else in the region.


Ukraine hit the oil refinery in Bashkiriya.


Ukraine hit a fuel storage facility in Feodosiya. The facility was reportedly not operational after previous Ukrainian strikes.


Ukraine hit Gorlovka repeatedly. Several residential buildings were damaged and two civilians are reported wounded. Targets are unclear.


Ukraine hit a gas pumping station in Chuvashiya.


A Ukrainian UAV was downed in Stariy Oskol.


Ukraine hit the Afip oil refinery in Krasnodar region.


Ukraine hit the Novovoronezhskaya NPP, damaging one tower. It's not substantial to the plant operations, but it's clearly them testing the waters.


Ukraine hit the Luch powerplant in Belgorod twice. Reportedly either 40 000 people were left without power. 3rd link has post-strike day time footage of the powerplant.


Ukrainian strikes on Belgorod city and region damaged a couple of apartment buildings and some cars burned down. These are likely the results drones that crashed into the buildings. 6 civilians are reported wounded. These links are at least two separate waves of strikes.


Ukraine hit the Klintsy powerplant in Bryansk region.


Ukraine hit the Elektrodetal' factory in Bryansk region. It's possible Neptune missiles were used for this strike.


Ukraine hit a training ground in Krasnodar region taking out a Iskander TEL, 5 loader vehicles, and a command vehicle. This might be our first confirmed destruction of Iskanders in this war. Reportedly 14 drones were used. Unfortunately for Ukraine Russian production of Iskanders pre-war was excellent, and apparently continues.


Russian drone defense forces using a small portable Chinese radar in Belgorod region.


Russian air defenses intercepting inbounds over Belgorod, allegedly GMLRS.


Russian air defense drones engaging Ukrainian inbounds.


Russian Ka-52 doing drone intercepts with Igla-S MANPADS.


A longer video about Russian drone defense teams.


Some footage of Russian drone defense teams training in South MD. Note the GAZ vans made as pickups.


Fragments of Ukraine's Grom-2 missiles were found in Kherson region, confirming the type is being used.

 

Feanor

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Interesting bits.

Ukraine brought down a Russian Mi-8 with a drone strike. Russia reportedly took casualties among the rescue team picking up the downed crew.


Russian forces taking out a Ukrainian FrankenSAM. This one hybridizes the Buk-M1 TELAR with the Sea Sparrow SAM. Despite fairly substantial plans announced in the past, we see these systems relatively rarely. It's possible they're being held back for work against Russian long range strike, instead of being used as front-line systems.


We have confirmation of Russian forces using the 3F2 rocket assisted mortar shell in their 2S4s.


An interesting video of Russian RVSN "spetznaz" striking targets with drones. The RVSN, or strategic missile forces, do have their own security units. To the best of my knowledge they were organized in a manner not too dissimilar from motor-rifle units. They did have the BPDM, a specialized patrol vehicle on the BTR-82 chassis, but they were an exception. Mostly they used regular BTRs, MT-LBs, etc. It's our first confirmation that elements of these units are being used in Ukraine.


We have confirmation that Russia lost an Su-34 over Ukraine.


We now have Russia's 9th MRBde experimenting with horses for tactical transport. Most commentators agree that this seems pointless. It remains to be seen if they attempt this on the battlefield. We saw Russian troops attempting to use pack animals for logistics, but after a small burst of info, there hasn't been anything about this.


More Russian 2S1s with extra armor kits. We saw this briefly some time ago, but they haven't been sighted since then.


Ukraine's 43rd Arty Bde operating 2S7s with American M650 artillery shells.


Ukraine's 13th National Guard Bde operating a captured Tigr-M and apparently Bradleys.


Ukraine has two new heavy brigades, one based on the 12th and the other the 29th Independent Tank Btlns. The brigades kept the numbers of the btlns. It's unclear if these brigades now have two tank btlns, or if these are "heavy" bdes with the same ORBAT as pre-war Mech Bdes.


Ex-Yugoslav 125mm tank shells in Ukrainian service.


A Ukrainian locomotive with drone-defense cages on it. Russia has been targeting Ukrainian rail infrastructure, but while this might help against FPV drones, and possibly even a Lancet (maybe not?) I doubt it would stop a Shahed with it's 90 kg warhead.


Ukraine has newly built hangars at Ozernoe airfield in Zhitomir region, possibly meant for F-16s.


A freshly painted Ukrainian Su-27 with Zaporozhye repair plant marking on it. It suggests that Ukraine is still using the factory to repair fighter jets, despite being only ~65 kms from the front lines.


Reportedly Greece intends to hand over 60 M110 self-propelled American howitzers, of the 203mm caliber.


Estonia's Milrem Robotis reportedly intends to deliver 150 of their THeMIS platforms to Ukraine.


A Ukrainian An-124 spotted in Ben Gurion airport picking up what might be munitions or components for Patriot SAMs.


A train full of Italian VBL APCs was spotted in Slovakia, presumably heading to Ukraine.


Footage of the ruins of Ugledar. Reportedly 24 people still live here. It will be interesting to see if reconstruction of Ugledar will be part of the plans for reconstruction in the Donetsk area. In the village of Nikol'skoe, south-east of Ugledar, reconstruction of the local monastery has apparently begun.


Another exchange of POWs took place between Russia and Ukraine, of either 185 for 185 or 205 for 205. Sources disagree.

 

Redshift

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Is Ukraine complaining about China doing what NATO is doing?

Would that "senior official" complain of China providing Ukraine with intelligence? (Or does he simply think that everybody else is stupid or willing to swallow whatever he says?)
There is one difference, China is supplying to an aggressor NATO is supplying to a defender.

This may not matter to you but is an important difference to many others.
 
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