John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Only sort of makes sense if MEKOs can arrive within 2 years…a stretch I think? Even then, a lot of negative vibes.
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Boardgamer88
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Negative vibes? I know quite a few prefer the Japanese option, but I haven't heard anything negative about the German option.
Yes the timing is important
The Hobart Class will shortly start their refit and the ANZACs are down to seven with more to be decommissioned.
I wonder what the government priorities are re the selection of SEA3000
Time to service or the attributes of the contending ships.
Not sure I have confidence in a German build for meeting our timeframe.
Cheers S
If timeline is important in the delivery of these ships can there be an argument for both of these types of ships to be included in the fleet assuming both of them are equal in contribution to what they bring to the fleet , logistics might be addressed by having them assigned to the different basses East and West
There are possibilities. Other nations are looking at something like this. Both Germany and Japan are looking at sales either way to perhaps allied smaller nations. Particularly if things continue to get worse. Having this project get to develop, spec, design, schedule and maybe even start construction is a good thing. There is no loser in this. Sales will happen I am sure. This kind of project is allowing industry to build for a future increase in production and capabilities.
NZ, various SEA nations, some in the middle east, some of those in NATO. Low manning, high capability frigates with endurance are always a good idea. Maybe some of these would even be fitted with Australian radars and combat systems if sold to other nations.
This abc article suggests some in defence think MEKO will be easier to integrate into the RAN.
www.abc.net.au
German company bids for $10 billion Australian warship contract
The company is competing against a rival bid from Japan that is being heavily backed by Tokyo.
www.abc.net.au
Thanks just read the article.This abc article suggests some in defence think MEKO will be easier to integrate into the RAN.
German company bids for $10 billion Australian warship contract
The company is competing against a rival bid from Japan that is being heavily backed by Tokyo.
No doubt the Meko200 is a well established design
Looked up the Egyptian Meko as a reference for what base model the RAN may receive
At a similar size to our current ANZACs the Japanese offering is really a different size of warship to the point of not being comparing apples for apples
As a future class taking us out to 2060s do we want such a small ship?
I think not
Cheers S
iambuzzard
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You're correct, it's packed to the gills already. The Evolved Mogami looks like it has room to add VLS, extra Close In Weapons and Directed Energy Weapons. Meko200 is full.
I think its the Meko --a210 that we should look at much larger than a-200
turdef.com
TKMS Presents new MEKO-A210 Frigate | TURDEF
TKMS presented the new MEKO-A210 frigate, an evolution of the MEKO-A200 frigates, at the "Indo-Pacific 2023" international exhibition.
turdef.com
Agree. Just look at potential future upgrades and enhancements onto the Mogami platforms. DEWs, Rail guns and long range anti ship missiles.…USVs and UUVs also being constantly updated.
Japan releases image of Railgun installed on naval vessel - Naval News
On April 18, 2025, the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) released an image of its state-of-the-art railgun currently undergoing testing aboard the test ship JS Asuka.
www.navalnews.com
Japan unveils first images of new Type 12 anti-ship missile tests - Naval News
Japan's ATLA released images for the first time showing the launch tests of the improved version of the Type 12 anti-ship missile currently under development.
www.navalnews.com
iambuzzard
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Ugly as sin and still packed to the raftersI think its the Meko --a210 that we should look at much larger than a-200
TKMS Presents new MEKO-A210 Frigate | TURDEF
TKMS presented the new MEKO-A210 frigate, an evolution of the MEKO-A200 frigates, at the "Indo-Pacific 2023" international exhibition.
More views -I think its the Meko --a210 that we should look at much larger than a-200
TKMS Presents new MEKO-A210 Frigate | TURDEF
TKMS presented the new MEKO-A210 frigate, an evolution of the MEKO-A200 frigates, at the "Indo-Pacific 2023" international exhibition.
TKMS Unveils New MEKO A210 Frigate - Naval News
TBF, looks like Japan has copied Germany quite a bit with its future concepts shown at DSEI 2025.
Perhaps in pastel colours will make it prettier for you
The German ships have quite a different fit out, arguably there is more commonality with existing RAN stuff with Mogami, although that is pure opinion and fairly uninformed at that. The 210 is still quite early on in the build design process and has significant risk, I believe it was eliminated. It doesn't matter, I don't think the ships designs are central to the selection of either ship. Build, risk, cost, delivery and manpower are way, way more important.
The germans have done this before. But that experience was a while ago at different yards. I'm not sure if the previous experience is that relevant, but it doesn't hurt their offer.
I hope in hearing chatter, that means a decision is imminent. I don't even care what is selected, this project needs to get going and committed to in full. Selection of the platform will have impact on munitions, drones, training pipelines and also the actual production of ships and the preparing locally for their construction.
The germans have done this before. But that experience was a while ago at different yards. I'm not sure if the previous experience is that relevant, but it doesn't hurt their offer.
I hope in hearing chatter, that means a decision is imminent. I don't even care what is selected, this project needs to get going and committed to in full. Selection of the platform will have impact on munitions, drones, training pipelines and also the actual production of ships and the preparing locally for their construction.
iambuzzard
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You're right Reptilia. The Evolved Mogami has room to significantly increase it's firepower. As you guys have so often said, steel is cheap. With that extra space the weapon load could be upgraded quite easily. No need to try to fit a destroyer's capability into a corvette.
The bids are due to be delivered in full to the ADF by July 2025, so I expect this current chatter is the start of the “ramping up” process for this project.
ADF have been given til November from memory to assess the bids and make a recommendation to Government.
Hence the “argy bargy” between Government and CASG over whether it will be 2025 or 2026…
You can see the DoD’s predicament, after all these years / decades to the contrary, suddenly being called upon to do capability acquisition quickly and efficiently…
Todjaeger
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Particularly when the ADF or respective services have made recommendations to gov't, which were then overridden, ignored or dismissed by gov't in favour selecting the competing kit, usually for 'reasons'. The selection of what is now the Hobart-class DDG, as well as the selection of the MRH-90 Taipan being two examples which spring to mind...
What did defence want instead of Hobart? What was the pressing reason Hobart were chosen?