I don't know who would be interested in near 50-year-old guns. Maybe for scrap.
Maybe the navy just wants to get rid of them to ensure they don't end up being recycled onto the Type 26.
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Maybe the navy just wants to get rid of them to ensure they don't end up being recycled onto the Type 26.
They would make great memorials or sculptures at a park or in-front of a museum. I am surprised France purchased some from the Canadians recently, I thought they would have a special deal with the Italians. Parts are still available, and these guns could probably be upgraded to more modern specifications.
Canada bought near 40 year old fighter planes.
Age isn't a huge issue for guns. New barrel and bits and pieces and they can be as reliable and as accurate as a new one. Actually with my experience with civilian arms, old guns can become favorites, because they tend to loosen up nicely with age and wear in all the right places (except barrel wear, but I treat that as more of a consumable) and become more reliable and slick. Navies have kept guns active for very long periods, so I don't see age as a huge issue.
I think Australia still has theirs in storage from all the decommissioned FFGs. We were still operating the FFG's until recently, I wonder if Australia will keep these or if they might dispose of them as well.
So I assume Canada is getting out the 76mm round completely and doesn't see it in its future at all.
Canada bought near 40 year old fighter planes.
Age isn't a huge issue for guns. New barrel and bits and pieces and they can be as reliable and as accurate as a new one. Actually with my experience with civilian arms, old guns can become favorites, because they tend to loosen up nicely with age and wear in all the right places (except barrel wear, but I treat that as more of a consumable) and become more reliable and slick. Navies have kept guns active for very long periods, so I don't see age as a huge issue.
I think Australia still has theirs in storage from all the decommissioned FFGs. We were still operating the FFG's until recently, I wonder if Australia will keep these or if they might dispose of them as well.
So I assume Canada is getting out the 76mm round completely and doesn't see it in its future at all.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Museums were interested but the government wanted money for them. Yes, Canada is done with 76 mm. For now, 57 mm and 127 mm for the CSC in the future.
30 years old (they were installed during the DDH280 mid-life upgrade from 89-95, known as the Tribal Class Update and Modernization Project, or TRUMP. They replaced the Oto-Melara 127mm guns from the original build.). Point taken, however. These are old guns. They were, however, very well maintained, and hardly used, so they will have some life left in them.
Novascotiaboy
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Such a shame that these could not have been incorporated into the AOPS. Would have offered a similar capability as the Danish northern patrol vessels.
Then a set of 25 mm Mk38s could have been installed port and starboard or at least atop the hangar to cover the stern.
Then a set of 25 mm Mk38s could have been installed port and starboard or at least atop the hangar to cover the stern.
Looks like TRAPS passed acceptance into the RCN. This is an entire sonar system, with wet end and operator consoles, inside a 20 foot seacan: GeoSpectrum Technologies Completes Tests of a Second Sonar System with the RCN - Canadian Defence Review | Canadian Defence Review
This is technology developed by Defence Research Canada scientists, commercialized by GeoSpectrum Technologies of Dartmouth (outside of Halifax). More on Geospectrum here: Home - GeoSpectrum Technologies Inc
This is technology developed by Defence Research Canada scientists, commercialized by GeoSpectrum Technologies of Dartmouth (outside of Halifax). More on Geospectrum here: Home - GeoSpectrum Technologies Inc
What you suggest is logical, too logical. However, it also depends on what is below 1 deck where the 76 mm gun would be sited, because the gun pierce decks 1 and 2, so unless planned for, right from the get go, would require a redesign of the foc'sle.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Perhaps Halifax 57 mm guns can go to the AOPS once the CSC start arriving.
Excellent description of the T26 propulsion system: Powering the stealthy submarine hunter – Type 26 frigate propulsion system in focus | Save the Royal Navy
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
One small point, the article attributes the WR21 as the cause of the T45's propulsion problem. The root cause was the turbo charger/ recuperation component that was designed for RR by NG. This system was redesigned halfway through the testing period and thus there were two sets of data. Had the final design been tested for full correct timeframe, its fault would have been discovered.
Black Jack Shellac
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I was out for my walk today and noticed that the CCGS Capt. Jacques Cartier was no longer at Lonsdale Quay, and can confirm that it is out sailing towards Vancouver Island. I don't know if it is on sea trials though. That is a good sign, along with the News Release that the third OFSV is structurally complete.
Hopefully it will be launching soon releasing the erection berth for the Joint Support Ship.
Seaspan seems to be moving right along. Does anyone know how Irving is making out with the AOPVs?
Hopefully it will be launching soon releasing the erection berth for the Joint Support Ship.
Seaspan seems to be moving right along. Does anyone know how Irving is making out with the AOPVs?
That would be a better question for @Novascotiaboy. I think he can see the shipyard from where he lives? The only thing I know for sure is that AOPS 2 (Margaret Brooke) needs to get in the water no later than November in order to make way for AOPS 3 (Max Bernays), or the whole assembly line will start to stall.
This video, courtesy Irving Shipyards, shows AOPS 1 in the water and AOPS 2 on the pier (at 0:40). Note this video is from May - both ships are considerably more advanced in their fit-ups, with AOPS 1 complete and undergoing static trials.
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Novascotiaboy
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I was just about to post. Harry Dewolfe is due to pull away to start sea trials before months end freeing up wharf space for Margaret Brooke. Harry Dewolfe has been in the water for almost 14 months. Margaret Brooke looks further along than HDW was at its float off of the Boa Barge 37.
A bit of irony a couple of weeks ago when Asterix returned from Cutlass Sabre and she tied up at the International Telecom wharf which is as close as possible to Irvings yard.
A bit of irony a couple of weeks ago when Asterix returned from Cutlass Sabre and she tied up at the International Telecom wharf which is as close as possible to Irvings yard.
Novascotiaboy
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Calculas I see the yard as I travel to work across one of the two harbour bridges as I live west of Halifax in a rural area. Due to mybwork I sometimes work aboard ships tied to the IT Telecom wharf and Pier 9 which has been used extensively during the offshore drilling by Shell and BP.
Two blogs to watch for goings on in Halifax harbour are Shipfax and Halifax Shipping News.
On another note I noticed on another naval website that the USS Hue City, a Ticonderoga Cruiser, which was here in Halifax has been approved for an extensive refit. When she was here I was aboard and can tell you that she is in need of major hull work. A few too many holes in one of the main fuel tanks. Had an opportunity to talk to many of her crew and was afforded a good look around. Great group of people. Captain wasnt too pleased on the condition of his ship.
Two blogs to watch for goings on in Halifax harbour are Shipfax and Halifax Shipping News.
On another note I noticed on another naval website that the USS Hue City, a Ticonderoga Cruiser, which was here in Halifax has been approved for an extensive refit. When she was here I was aboard and can tell you that she is in need of major hull work. A few too many holes in one of the main fuel tanks. Had an opportunity to talk to many of her crew and was afforded a good look around. Great group of people. Captain wasnt too pleased on the condition of his ship.
Novascotiaboy
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Looks like the launch has been pushed into December for the Margaret Brooke.
AOPS 2 Launch Delayed | Halifax Shipping News.ca
AOPS 2 Launch Delayed | Halifax Shipping News.ca
Cool. My sister-in-law lives in Lower Sackville, so whenever we visit I go down to the basin and see what's "floating about".
Best sighting ever was the USS Eisenhower during the Canada 150 celebrations a few years ago. Did you get a chance to see Queen Elizabeth when she was in last month?Novascotiaboy
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Yes. The QE2 aircraft carrier was in port for four or five days moored south east of Georges Island. To me she was very similar in size to a Nimitz. Big ship. Also in port was one of the new Tides and a T45. Both were tied up at the southern most wharf at the dockyard adjacent to the Casino.
Missed the naval review at Canada 150 as I was away for work. Also missed out when the Charles DeGuale was in port also due to work commitments.
Hurricane Dorian was cause for the cancellation of the planned sail past of the NATO fleet at the start of Cutlass Fury. A shame as that would have been impressive along with the fly past that didnt happen.
Missed the naval review at Canada 150 as I was away for work. Also missed out when the Charles DeGuale was in port also due to work commitments.
Hurricane Dorian was cause for the cancellation of the planned sail past of the NATO fleet at the start of Cutlass Fury. A shame as that would have been impressive along with the fly past that didnt happen.
I wonder what impact this will have on the overall schedule? 30 days is probably not a deal breaker, and I agree with you it seems the ships are coming out in a greater state of completeness compared to HDW, so they may be able to absorb this slip pretty easily. Margaret Brooke seems to have all her masts already installed, and that didn't happen to HDW until she was already in the water.
Novascotiaboy
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Definitely further along. Late last week I drove by and thought that her Mk 38 was installed but I will check tomorrow.
HDW hasnt pulled away to start trials at all. She has been leveled out as she doesnt have a list anymore. Concrete apparently does wonders.
HDW hasnt pulled away to start trials at all. She has been leveled out as she doesnt have a list anymore. Concrete apparently does wonders.
Interesting video on the Hunter class. Doesn't look like they are starting their build much earlier than we are (go to 3:07 in video, build starts date of "late 2022 early 2023"). Also contains some information on the masts for the Attack submarines. Personally very dubious they will ever complete the Attack program. History of submarine procurements in Australia is even worse than our own.