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FormerDirtDart

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USS Fitzgerald has collided with a 21,000 ton merchant ship about 50 nms off Yokosuka. She has taken on water and has asked the Japanese Coast Guard for assistance, there are some injuries.

USS Fitzgerald involved in collision with merchant vessel | Daily Mail Online
Image of USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62) damage (top) I was reminded of the damage sustained to USS Porter (DDG-78) several years ago after a collision in the Strait of Hormuz(bottom)

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FormerDirtDart

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USS Fitzgerald has collided with a 21,000 ton merchant ship about 50 nms off Yokosuka. She has taken on water and has asked the Japanese Coast Guard for assistance, there are some injuries.

USS Fitzgerald involved in collision with merchant vessel | Daily Mail Online
Fitzgerald is under power (though limited) and dewatering. At least three compartments flooded due to damage sustained below the waterline.
Seven sailors missing. Fitz's commander has been medevaced by helicopter. XO commanding the ship

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colay1

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If the bow of the cargo vessel impacted the side of the DDG, does that mean the former is at fault? Anyway I find it amazing that with all the sensors and eyes on board that such accidents still happen... but I guess that's the nature of accidents.
 

FormerDirtDart

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If the bow of the cargo vessel impacted the side of the DDG, does that mean the former is at fault? Anyway I find it amazing that with all the sensors and eyes on board that such accidents still happen... but I guess that's the nature of accidents.
Damage sustained to ACX Crystal in collision with USS FItzgerald
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ASSAIL

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If the bow of the cargo vessel impacted the side of the DDG, does that mean the former is at fault? Anyway I find it amazing that with all the sensors and eyes on board that such accidents still happen... but I guess that's the nature of accidents.
Too early to say but on first glance it would appear that the merchant ship was the priveledged vessel and Fitzgerald should have given way, however once the close quarters situation arose both vessels are responsible for taking action.
I really don't understand the reluctance of some watchkeepers to get onto VHF CH 16 and talk.
 

John Fedup

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What are the probabilities of watchkeepers on both vessels speaking the same language on VHF 16? English is the language for aviation but is there an official maritime language?
 

alexsa

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What are the probabilities of watchkeepers on both vessels speaking the same language on VHF 16? English is the language for aviation but is there an official maritime language?
English is the official language for marine communications.
 

FormerDirtDart

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Number of USS Fitzgerald Sailors' Remains Found

Sad news, but that which was expected.
Number of USS Fitzgerald Sailors' Remains Found
Story Number: NNS170617-03; Release Date: 6/17/2017 10:32:00 PM
From U.S. 7th Fleet Public Affairs

YOKOSUKA, Japan (NNS) -- A number of Sailors' remains that were missing from the collision between USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) and a merchant ship have been found.

As search and rescue crews gained access to the spaces that were damaged during the collision this morning, the missing Sailors were located in the flooded berthing compartments. They are currently being transferred to Naval Hospital Yokosuka where they will be identified.

The families are being notified and being provided the support they need during this difficult time. The names of the Sailors will be released after all notifications are made.
Fair winds and a following seas
 

ASSAIL

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A tragic accident no doubt. This is the third accident involving USN ships in the region since Feb. Makes me wonder how deeply the Budget Control Act(Aka sequestration) has impacted training and readiness of the USN that may be leading to accidents.
There's a very good article in the March Proceedings, the piece titled "Too many SWOs per ship" ( I don't have an electronic copy, anyone?) and I quote the intro;
SWO division officer tours currently provide inadequate opportunities to develop an officers shiphandling skills. Two systemic factors - the division officers report date relative to his or hers position within the operational cycle and the number of division officers assigned to each wardroom - influence both the quality and quantity of professional growth opportunities given to young SWOs. The surface community can adjust these two factors to equalise operational and leadership experience to develop more capable surface warriors."

The basic tenor of the piece expands on the above and advocates for longer tours and fewer trainees, it also suggests "a more selective process at the Midshipman level before entry into the surface warfare community."
 

ASSAIL

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This article discusses the recent collision of the USS Fitzgerald with the container ship ACX Crystal. The one take away I got from this article is it may not be so easy for commercial vessel to communicate with a gray ship. Also the differences on how a navy vessel is operated may not be so great for avoiding collisions, i.e. too many people involved.

The USS Fitzgerald Is At Fault. This Is Why. – gCaptain
That's not the take from this article at all.
All merchant ships keep "watch" on VHF CH16, the international safety and call channel, all Warships do the same, both are required to do so and further, they regularly communicate with each other, "watch" means having a receiver and transmitter tuned for immediate use.

The way merchant ships operate is governed by international standards, STCW certificates are mandated for all as is a requirement to be competent in the English language.

Plainly there was confusion or incompetence in one or both ships and an abject lack of communication on CH 16. The investigations will reveal the how and why
 

John Fedup

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Although English is the maritime language, the language proficiency of the watch crew on the merchant vessel could be an issue but if the Fitzgerald had its AIS off and it was 2:30am so Fitzgerald's ship number may not have been visible which would add some confusion for a watch member with limited English proficiency attempting to communicate on VHF 16. How closely is English proficiency for watch crew monitored by commercial merchant ship operators? As you say, this will all be figured out by the inquiry eventually.
 

ASSAIL

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Although English is the maritime language, the language proficiency of the watch crew on the merchant vessel could be an issue but if the Fitzgerald had its AIS off and it was 2:30am so Fitzgerald's ship number may not have been visible which would add some confusion for a watch member with limited English proficiency attempting to communicate on VHF 16. How closely is English proficiency for watch crew monitored by commercial merchant ship operators? As you say, this will all be figured out by the inquiry eventually.
Only two comments, first Fitzgerald would not be steaming in heavy traffic without AIS active, to do so would be negligent. Second, all deck watch officers MUST have English language proficiency or they don't gain an STCW Certificate of Competency.
 

alexsa

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Although English is the maritime language, the language proficiency of the watch crew on the merchant vessel could be an issue but if the Fitzgerald had its AIS off and it was 2:30am so Fitzgerald's ship number may not have been visible which would add some confusion for a watch member with limited English proficiency attempting to communicate on VHF 16. How closely is English proficiency for watch crew monitored by commercial merchant ship operators? As you say, this will all be figured out by the inquiry eventually.

It will be figured out by the enquiry, however AIS is not the end all to collision avoidance. In any conditions, and in close proximity, the collision avoidance rules of the COLREG convention take precedence (I understand the conditions were clear).


Communication will not always resolve the issues if the messages are confused and this happens with English speaking mariners as well.


Both parties are required to take action to avoid collision (this includes the stand on vessel) and alterations of course are to be large enough to be clear visible. If the other vessel was all over the shop they will be held to account. The track leading up to the close quarters situation will need to be examined and we (and G Captain) should not be jumping to conclusions.


One of the big issues we have at the moment is the habit of mariners to stick their heads into the radar or integrated display and not look out the window and take bearings of the other vessel. When it gets close visual bearing movement and vessel orientation (which is why we have navigation lights). If your display is not showing relative movement you could find yourself in trouble.
 

CB90

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Only two comments, first Fitzgerald would not be steaming in heavy traffic without AIS active, to do so would be negligent. Second, all deck watch officers MUST have English language proficiency or they don't gain an STCW Certificate of Competency.
1) AIS isn't required for steaming in heavy traffic. Unless there is something magical I am missing about AIS, I'm not sure what extra value it would've added here. At the ranges involved, with the ships involved, they would have had plenty of time to either spot visually or by radar on either side.
2) International deck watch officer standards vary tremendously. The English language level on some merchant vessels I have encountered was absolutely terrible, and there would be a long delay...followed by a different voice with passable English.
3) The gCaptain article is moronic. Being a merchant mariner with a STCW license doesn't meet some kind of mythical special standard. He also demonstrates that he has very little knowledge of how a warship bridge functions. Perhaps that's part of the problem, warship and merchant ship counterparts do not really have a good understanding of how the other operates.
 
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