(ASK) Assault Weapon

mudslide

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I'm trying to figure out what would be the best assult rifle to buy. I have been thanking about buying a M16, but know that it has issues.

What I'm looking for in a assult rifle is.

* Semi-auto
* Can equip attachments (Scope, Shotgun, etc)
* Accurate
* Compact
* Light
* Low recoil
* Reliable
* Pack a kick in damage
* Can shot/ be modded to shot multi bullets (If Possible)
* Can be bought by the public (Most Important)

To be used for play, self defence, shoot ranges, and zombies "lol"
 
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Gremlin29

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If you live in the US an M4 with a quad rail would do everything you want. I would recommend you consider the Ruger SR 556, it's an M4 platform but uses a gas piston instead of a gas tube. These weapons are extremely reliable, as a civilian you will never subject that rifle to anything the military does. If you have the money I would look at the FN SCAR in 5.56. The SCAR and the SR 556 have the 1911 rails on the forestock so you will be able to mount virtually any type of reflex sight, laser, tac light accessory known to man. The Ruger may seem pricey compared to other M4's out there but it has about $400 worth of quality upgrades on it out of the box.

There's nothing wrong with the AK either. I would avoid the WASR's and throw down for a Russian made that Arsenal sells.
 

Quiller

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If you live in the US an M4 with a quad rail would do everything you want. I would recommend you consider the Ruger SR 556, it's an M4 platform but uses a gas piston instead of a gas tube. These weapons are extremely reliable, as a civilian you will never subject that rifle to anything the military does. If you have the money I would look at the FN SCAR in 5.56. The SCAR and the SR 556 have the 1911 rails on the forestock so you will be able to mount virtually any type of reflex sight, laser, tac light accessory known to man. The Ruger may seem pricey compared to other M4's out there but it has about $400 worth of quality upgrades on it out of the box.

There's nothing wrong with the AK either. I would avoid the WASR's and throw down for a Russian made that Arsenal sells.
FIRST QUESTION TO ASK: If you live in the USA... what STATE do you live in?

Makes all the difference in the world.
 

PCShogun

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The AK is a good choice. Available in 7.62*39mm (AK47) or 5.45.39mm (AK-74), these weapons have a long lifespan of proven dependability. The WASR's from Romania are at the low end and the Yugoslavian's are at the high end of whats currently available. Some are now being built in the U.S. and are also very good. Accessories are not as prolific as they are for the M4's, but the Russian .30 caliber has better penetration than the 5.56 NATO. Accuracy is lower on Soviet influenced weapons, but don't take that to mean you cannot hit what you aim at. Your groups will simply have a slightly wider dispersion than what an NATO military weapon will have.

If you want one that you can bet your life on, the SCAR is an excellent choice, if you have the money to throw down on one. They ain't cheap.

The M4's are nice and less expensive than a SCAR, and they make many uppers for them that change the caliber on the gun to just about anything available. I've seen M4's in .22lr, 6.8 Remington, 7.62*39, 5.45*39mm, in addition to the standard 5.56 NATO.

As mentioned above, state laws vary. Usually has to do with magazine capacity, but not always. Cities also restrict the type of weapons you may own.
 
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Imran520

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Assault weapon is a political and legal term that refers to different types of firearms and weapons, and is a term that has differing meanings, usages and purposes.
 

Feanor

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Assault rifles are very serious and dangerous weapons, definitely not for "Lots of Laughs"
And here I always thought it stood for laugh out loud. That having been said, assault weapons are definitely very safe. In some countries children are allowed to use them. ;)

But seriously, in the US where you live will probably play a big if not the biggest, role in what you can/should buy. I guess the other big question is what you really want it for.
 

ASSAIL

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And here I always thought it stood for laugh out loud. That having been said, assault weapons are definitely very safe. In some countries children are allowed to use them. ;)

But seriously, in the US where you live will probably play a big if not the biggest, role in what you can/should buy. I guess the other big question is what you really want it for.
I don't want to get into a debate on "gun control" because different nations have different priorities. Having said that, assault rifles are dangerous in the wrong hands and have been involved in a large percentage of mass shootings around the world.

I can only reiterate that once assault rifles were eliminated in Australia nearly 17 years ago there have not been any multiple casualty incidents.
 

Volkodav

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I don't want to get into a debate on "gun control" because different nations have different priorities. Having said that, assault rifles are dangerous in the wrong hands and have been involved in a large percentage of mass shootings around the world.

I can only reiterate that once assault rifles were eliminated in Australia nearly 17 years ago there have not been any multiple casualty incidents.
Could you imagine the current bikie turf wars being fought with M4 Carbines and SLRs instead of pistols, knives and machetes? Not a pleasant thought and I am glade they are limited to short range options.
 

Feanor

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I don't want to get into a debate on "gun control" because different nations have different priorities. Having said that, assault rifles are dangerous in the wrong hands and have been involved in a large percentage of mass shootings around the world.

I can only reiterate that once assault rifles were eliminated in Australia nearly 17 years ago there have not been any multiple casualty incidents.
The real issue isn't gun control is legal paternalism. Gun control is an instantiation of it. That having been said I'm not trying to stir up this debate. The second half of my post was the serious one.
 

PCShogun

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I don't want to get into a debate on "gun control" because different nations have different priorities. Having said that, assault rifles are dangerous in the wrong hands and have been involved in a large percentage of mass shootings around the world.

I can only reiterate that once assault rifles were eliminated in Australia nearly 17 years ago there have not been any multiple casualty incidents.
Oh, my tongue is bleeding on this one from having to bite it so hard....

P.S. After posting, I realized this is a "one liner" but cannot figure out how to delete it.
Sorry.
 
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HTV-3X

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Oh, my tongue is bleeding on this one from having to bite it so hard....

P.S. After posting, I realized this is a "one liner" but cannot figure out how to delete it.
Sorry.
You got that right sir, same here. Im going to try to not go into anything political, but can I ask people, expert or not, to please NOT try to advocate gun control in America if you arent from here or dont live here? I dont go around telling other people what their country to do, and I dont know of any Americans that do that as a matter of fact. I cant speak for our government, but as far as non-governmental civilians we dont try to tell anyone else how to behave, etc. It seems a lot of foreigners have been wanting to come in and force their ideas on us(Piers Morgan *cough cough*). America was built by men fighting tyranny and they put the 2nd amendment in there because they knew the government they built could very well also become tyrannical and that some people just might support it. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

With that said, OP, I dont have a dog in the fight, but with most FFL stores/dealers, you will not be looked at as a friendly if you go in there asking for an "assault rifle". That has become the favorite vocabulary/catchphrase of the certain political segment/party that is trying to take these weapons out of our hands(and eventually all weapons if we give them any leeway or compromise with them). They will likely think you are some reporter from CNN trying to show America how easy it is for a mass murderer to get an "assault weapon".

Im glad to see another person on our side fighting the good fight keeping our constitution alive. But, you may want to research a bit(eg: shotgun attachment??) LOL not trying to offend you sir but that is just a bit videogame-ish dont you think? Try to think in real-life terms not Call of Duty terms. Again, Im not trying to insult you at all, if you really want a shotgun on the bottom of your rifle, go ahead. But do you really think its gonna be very useful? Are you going to be blowing locks out of doors? Because unless you are, thats very unnecessary weight in my opinion. If you want a shotgun, go pick up a Remington 11-87, 870, Mossberg 590, etc and dont bother trying to put two weapons into one. Attach everything you want to, but take heed that some people may look at you a bit funny if go to the range with a 25 pound AR15 because of the multiple redundant lasers, lights, scopes, sights, etc all on one rifle. You would do better to think in more practical terms. If you have to use that rifle to defend yourself, do you think all that extra stuff will really help, or become a hindrance due to all the added weight for stuff youre not even using?

The most you truly need for a AR15, depending what range youre shooting at, is a good 2.5-10x variable power scope or maybe 1-8x or 1-6x variable or 4x fixed optic, along with a flashlight, and a sling or maybe a foregrip if thats your thing. If youre using NVGs, a IR laser may be helpful for snapshooting but personally I dont see any benefit so why bother. If its a possible home defense weapon, a high powered flashlight is vital because in my opinion it allows you to navigate your house in the pitch black and completely destroy your intruders vision for quite a few seconds. Think about everything you put on the rifle in the manner I just described, everything you add should have a specific USEFUL purpose. If it doesnt, trash it, the moneys better spent on ammo.

But I can tell you right now, a good shooting sling will aid your off-hand(standing) marksmanship MUCH more than any foregrip unless youre going to be competing in 3-gun, and need the speed more than the accuracy. It seems todays younger shooters are enamored with what they see on tv/games, and dont realize how much a good sling can help. Ill say this, I was never a good off-hand shot, I wouldnt feel confident in hitting a target past 100yd standing. That changed when I got a sling and learned how to use it. Its the most useful accessory you could possibly put on a rifle.

Again, do what you want but after some experience I highly doubt you will find that you really want a whole bunch of unnecessary stuff on it. Mainly, just try not to sound like Senator De Leon from California. Did anyone catch that little bit of excellence Im talking about? LOL "30 magazine clip.....in half a second".

As far as a recommendation, go with a good AR15. AKs are good rifles, but if youre going that way then do as said above and go with a Arsenal. Personally I like the AR15 system better. For an entry level rifle, a DPMS may be just the ticket. Though if you have some money, there are certainly better rifles out there: Bravo Company, Daniel Defense, LMT, Larue, Colt, POF, PWS, JP Enterprises, etc theres quite a few out there that are darn good guns.
 

Bonza

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How about you just take the political side out of it altogether and leave it alone, instead of stating you're going to do so then proceeding to post a whole load of political stuff?
 

Volkodav

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I seriously believe there are a great many people who should arm themselves with a dictionary and some reputable history books before venturing out to tell others the facts of life, the reasons why and flashing words like tyranny about the place. Its all a matter of perspective but it is pretty easy for anyone who bothers to research / investigate multiple views and opinions to identify those who have rote learnt, or been rote taught a very cloistered or xenophobic view of the world, irrespective of the nationality, ethnicity, geographic or religious back ground.
 

Todjaeger

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Can we please not re-start a pointless exercise on how different nations handle private ownership of firearms please. That has already occurred on DT, in the specific category a year ago no less.

The end result was a thread which kept going in circles. Different nations, for a variety of different reasons, have very different ways of handling private ownership or possession of firearms. Different nations also have very different methods of passing laws, deciding which laws are valid, enforcing laws, selecting who can make laws, etc. Do we really need to re-prise this?
 

Bonza

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Can we please not re-start a pointless exercise on how different nations handle private ownership of firearms please. That has already occurred on DT, in the specific category a year ago no less.

The end result was a thread which kept going in circles. Different nations, for a variety of different reasons, have very different ways of handling private ownership or possession of firearms. Different nations also have very different methods of passing laws, deciding which laws are valid, enforcing laws, selecting who can make laws, etc. Do we really need to re-prise this?
No, we do not, and debating the differences is far from the remit of a forum focused on military and defence matters.
 
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old faithful

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia, this will probably open up a can of worms.....have a look at the mass murders since the the new gun laws have been introduced in Australia, no real big gun massacres, but check out before.....there were plenty in the 1800, s and early 1900, s before auto, s and semi auto, s were banned, and arson seems to have replaced the semi auto, s now.
Im a gun owner and user, and I don, t miss my old SLR, and wouldnt buy another semi (actually, maybe a .22) and the laws are now done and dusted, but I really don, t think that out lawing
or prohabition has ever worked for enforcing ANY law.
 

ngatimozart

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@Forever_target Welcome to the forum. It's nice to see a Japanese poster on here. Please note that we have a set of rules and you have broken a couple. We don't allow one line posts and when you post images and material that is not yours, you must post the link where you got it from, or if no link exists, the authors name, year of publication, title of article / image / video, publication, edition, date of publication, publisher, and place published. This protects both you and the forum from accusations of plagiarism.
 

Forever_target

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@Forever_target Welcome to the forum. It's nice to see a Japanese poster on here. Please note that we have a set of rules and you have broken a couple. We don't allow one line posts and when you post images and material that is not yours, you must post the link where you got it from, or if no link exists, the authors name, year of publication, title of article / image / video, publication, edition, date of publication, publisher, and place published. This protects both you and the forum from accusations of plagiarism.
Oh, I'm sorry! I don't know!
 
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