F-15 Comparison

AtaSaudi

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There are three countries, other than the US, operate F15:

According to the Military Balance 2009, the number of F15s in each country is:

Japan: 150.

Saudi Arabia: 154.

Israel: 87.


It would be useful to draw a comparison between the above three countries regarding the capability of their F15s.
 

Todjaeger

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There are three countries, other than the US, operate F15:

According to the Military Balance 2009, the number of F15s in each country is:

Japan: 150.

Saudi Arabia: 154.

Israel: 87.


It would be useful to draw a comparison between the above three countries regarding the capability of their F15s.
You also left off South Korea (F-15K) and Singapore (F-15SG) though I do not believe deliveries have started for the F-15SG,

-Cheers
 

AtaSaudi

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You are right:

For S Korea: 39, 20 more in order.

Singapore does not seem to have any F15 at the moment.
 

OPSSG

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You also left off South Korea (F-15K) and Singapore (F-15SG) though I do not believe deliveries have started for the F-15SG
If I may add a minor supplementary point. As of Nov 2008, 4 F-15SGs have been completed by Boeing. IIRC, LTC Lim Chee Meng (See SG Air Force thread for details) is the Singapore F-15SG detachment commander and the detachment is currently training at Mountain Home on leased some USAF planes. Therefore, I believe constructive delivery of at least 1x F-15SG has taken place. :D
 
In what way are we comparing...?

I would assume - given their age - most F-15 are relegated to "garden-landscaping" duties, as the Raptor and Typhoon take-over air-defence. [Wasn't the attack role the reason Singapore choose the F-15 over the Typhoon Tranche-I?]

Israel is contemplating the F-35, whilst Saudi is buying Typhoons. I feel that the F-15 will go the way of the Phantom: iconic in it's day, past it's sell-by date and only used for secondary roles and/or where economic circumstances dictate.:p:
 

OPSSG

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In what way are we comparing...?
I am equally confused.:unknown

Wasn't the attack role the reason Singapore choose the F-15 over the Typhoon Tranche-I?
The F-15SG is a strike eagle (i.e. bomb truck) and was purchased to replace the A-4SU Super Skyhawk (which is an A-4 with a F404-GE-100D engine). This was a late '80s service life extension program for the Skyhawk and upgrades include modified engine air intakes; new structural mounts; new sensors, cockpit instrumentation, avionics; and improved A2A and A2G ordnance carrying and control capability.

In October 2003, the RSAF announced three survivors in the competition to replace the A-4SU Skyhawk: the Boeing F-15SG Strike Eagle, the Dassault Rafale, and the Eurofighter Typhoon. The final down select was between F-15SG strike eagle (the winner) and the Dassault Rafale. Interestingly, MINDEF announced (in an one paragraph statement) that during the technical clarifications, the Eurofighter Typhoon did not requirements, which most of us assumed at that time was the problem with delivery schedules.

As time went on, due to trade speculation, it became clear that availability of AESA radar seemed to be an important criteria. This then resulted in laymen Singaporeans, like me, reading up on what is AESA radar... :)
 
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Red

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Also, I did not think they were confident that they could get a multi-role Typhoon in the time period they wanted.
 

AtaSaudi

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In what way are we comparing...?

We are comparing F15s with F15s!

Why?

For two reasons:

1- The supplier, the US, surely has sold different versions of F15 to different countries (because of political and strategic reasons).
2- The receivers, S Arabia, Israel, Japan, S Korea and Singapore, surely have made some changes (modifications, improvements) on the versions that they received.
 

OPSSG

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1. Please see these links on "F-15 In Service" by Greg Goebel and the F-15I. These links can be your starting point for further research, analysis and comments.

2. With regards to F-15 radar types and modes. This information was posted by me elsewhere in DT:

(i) The APG-70 was a 1980s redesign of the APG-63 and was installed on some F-15E models (see link explaining the AN/APG-70 modes).

(ii) The AN/APG-70 radar also has a Low Probability of Intercept (LPI) capability, which makes it able to detect and direct attacks on enemy aircraft without its emissions being easily seen by the enemy. This means that the radar can be quickly switched on to obtain a single-sweep synthetic aperture image of a target area, then rapidly switched off seconds later, making it difficult for an enemy to pick up the emissions and track the F-15E's location and flight path. The AN/APG-70 radar is mechanically scanned in contrast to AESA, which steers its agile beams electronically (see link on AESA advantages).

(iii) The Korean strike eagles are equipped with the AN/APG-63(V1), which is not an AESA radar. AESA equipped F-15s are either using the AN/APG-63(V2) or the AN/APG-63(V3). The Singapore strike eagles (F-15SGs) for example are equipped with the AN/APG-63(V3) AESA radar.

(iv) There's some speculative information on Aviation Week that deals with radar range and I quote:

"Ranges of the new lines of AESA radars are classified. But they are estimated at about 90 mi. for the smallest (aimed at the F-16 radar-upgrade market). The F/A-18E/F and F-35 (with radar ranges of 100 mi.) are followed by the F-22 (110-115-mi.). The largest is carried by the upgraded F-15Cs and Es (125 mi.). By comparison, the range for a mechanically scanned, F-15C radar is 56 mi. according to Russian air force intelligence. U.S. aerospace officials agree that an AESA radar "at least doubles" the range over standard military radars.

When coupled with the electronic techniques generator in an aircraft, the radar can project jamming, false targets and other false information into enemy sensors. Ranges for electronic attack equal the AESA radar plus that of the enemy radar. That could allow electronic attack at ranges of 150 mi. or more. The ability to pick out small targets at a long distance also lets AESA-equipped aircraft find and attack cruise missiles, stealth aircraft and small UAVs."​

4. An Israeli company also makes the EL/M-2052 AESA fire control Radar, which is designed for the international fighter upgrade market (see IAI website). Industry officials acknowledged that U.S. government restrictions prevent Elta or its parent company, Israel Aircraft Industries Ltd., from integrating the new radar in U.S. F-16 and F-15 fighters flown by the Israel Air Force. In fact, Elta had received a $95 million contract to supply EL/M-2032 radars to an undisclosed nation. Certain sources also indicate that the EL/M-2052 is an interim candidate for the HAL Tejas till LRDE's indigenous multi-mode radar goes to production.

5. The above links provided should be enough to get you started on your research. I hope to hear your analysis and comments. Remember to keep in mind the role difference between the F-15E strike eagles (and their variants) and the F-15Cs, in your analysis.
 
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AtaSaudi

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Thanks OPSSG for the links. They were very helpful.

Will be enriching if more members of this forum provide their thoughts as well.
 
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