Will Brahmos Supersonic Anti Ship Missile alters the balance ?

[Su_37]

Russia , denied R series of MIG 29 engine to China for the testing for their fighter plane , forced them to made their own which result in delay of plane and plane still on the ground and all this due to india's request .

Moreover , Russia also didn;t sold India's version of SU30 MKI to china , which is more advance then china's version , only sold to malayasia.

I don;t think why this time russia provide this to china , Russia also have to maintian its Naval dominance .

 

[Awang se]

Considering that China and Russia did have some rivalries in the pass about the state of Mongolia, and then about Vietnam.

 

[Oqaab]

Guys, plzzz stay on the topic. Its about capabilities of Brahmos antiship missile. And I think members like gf0012 and Awang se can discuss its features and capabilities better.

Thanx.

 

[gf0012-aust]

ok, from what my sources say, the Brahmos can be sub launched.

They're fired from tubes set at an angle of approximately 40°. These launch tubes are arranged in two rows of twelve on either side of the sail.
They are each covered by six hatches on each side of the sail, with each hatch covering a pair of tubes.

The launchers are placed between the inner pressure hull and the outer hydrodynamic hull.

Russian subs (other than the Kilos) were not that well regarded for absolute noise suppression. So a good surface hunter killer combo could detect and kill the sub.

So yep, these little babies when operational will affect regional force balance.

 

[Su_37]

BrahMos missile production to begin in January


BrahMos Aerospace, the Indo-Russian joint venture, will begin production of the naval variant of BrahMos, the supersonic cruise missile, in January.

"We will begin production of the missile next month," BrahMos Aerospace CEO and managing director A Sivathanu Pillai said on Thursday.

The supersonic cruise missile, developed jointly by Indian and Russian defence scientists, has attained success in the six trials, including from a mobile autonomous launcher (MAL) striking a moving ship.

"The supersonic BrahMos cruise missile warhead hits the target--nine times more powerful than a subsonic class cruise missile which other countries possess," he said.

BrahMos Aerospace, Pillai said, was planning to increase its capital base of $250 million for the development of the land base cruise missile to begin next year.

"We will build the air to air missile after the Army version," he said, of BrahMos which cruises three times faster than sound at 2.8 Mach.

 

[Awang se]

ok, from what my sources say, the Brahmos can be sub launched.

They're fired from tubes set at an angle of approximately 40°. These launch tubes are arranged in two rows of twelve on either side of the sail.
They are each covered by six hatches on each side of the sail, with each hatch covering a pair of tubes.

The launchers are placed between the inner pressure hull and the outer hydrodynamic hull.

Russian subs (other than the Kilos) were not that well regarded for absolute noise suppression. So a good surface hunter killer combo could detect and kill the sub.

So yep, these little babies when operational will affect regional force balance.

Ungainly design. Just like the chinese rig their subs to launch Ying jie missile. The subs will be as noisy as a bull. Don't tell me they have to surface in order to launch.

Why dont they just build an SSGN type subs. the tube can be build inside the hull and set on low angle instead of vertical. It's more efficient sub design.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Awang se, the tubes are relatively flush to the outer hull. I came to the same conclusion initially before it was pointed out the russian "inner outer hull" design format (like the typhoons)

Russian SSK's are deadly quiet, but their boomers have always had identifiable signatures.

I would have thought that at this stage of development, Indian GM capable subs will sound like Buffalos walking across a creek.

 

[Awang se]

I see, how about the US boomers, how's the design? Double hull also?

ps: typhoon, Double hull, titanium, tough nut to crack.

 

[gf0012-aust]

I see, how about the US boomers, how's the design? Double hull also?

ps: typhoon, Double hull, titanium, tough nut to crack.

yes they are.

 

[Su_37]

Missile : Brahmos (PJ10) -- Moskit ( SS -N-22 Sunburn)

Range : 300 km---- 250 km
Warhead : 250 kg---- 320 kg
Max Speed : Mach 2.8---- Mach 3
Weight : 3000 Kg---- 4500 kg
length : 8 m---- 9.7 m

 

[Su_37]

BrahMos land target version soon

BANGALORE: After picking targets at will and going for the kill with precision, the makers of supersonic cruise BrahMos missile are now gearing up to develop the land target version.

A. Shivathanu Pillai, chief controller (R&D), DRDO and BrahMos Aerospace CEO-cum-MD, told The Times of India on Thursday that with the successful development and trials of the anti-ship version, BrahMos is now ready for production. “We’ve completed six successful tests from mobile autonomous launcher and warship to sea targets. The results of land-to-ship missions are remarkable. BrahMos warhead can hit the target nine times more powerful than a subsonic-class cruise missile,’’ Pillai said.

Indian Navy will be the first to induct BrahMos some time early next year, while the Russian consortium, NPO Mashinostroyenia, will be responsible for BrahMos production in Russia .

The tech competence of Indian and Russian scientists has been proved to perfection with BrahMos project, which has become a torchbearer in the relationship between the two. It has also given a new dimension to the political relationship between long-time associates. “Our government has given priority to this project which enabled to cut down the time by half than compared to the scheduled timeframe envisaged,’’ he said.

Analysts said the freedom to take decisions, better management skills and deployment of high-end technology came as a boon to this prestigious joint venture launched on February 12, 1998.

BrahMos will certainly be a force multiplier to the navies of India and Russia and the results confirm it as a superior lethal weapon available in the world today. With a range restricted to 290 km due to control regimes, BrahMos has the most-advanced guidance system of Indi an origin, that would give the Navy an edge over others.

Sources said no cruise missile in the world can match the capabilities of BrahMos. The Russian-made Moskit supersonic cruise missile (with a range of 120 km) is bulky and China has purchased the same and inducted it into two warships. Another Russian product, Club missile, is a subsonic weapon with a supersonic hit and is inducted by the Navy. Even the much-talked American Tomahawk missiles are subsonic which fly at one-third the speed of BrahMos.

“During the recent Gulf war, the Americans fired too many Tomahawks against Iraqi targets. No doubt it’s a lethal weapon, but the number of right hits per launch matters most,’’ sources said. With BrahMos nailing a success story, sources now say joint ventures will propel India ’s future projects.

 

[gf0012-aust]

The Brahmos is a derivative of the Russian Yakhont.

 

[Red aRRow]

The Brahmos is a derivative of the Russian Yakhont.

Isn't it just a repainted Yakhont?? :roll

 

[gf0012-aust]

The Brahmos is a derivative of the Russian Yakhont.

Isn't it just a repainted Yakhont?? :roll

If you wanted to be brutal about it - yes.

 

[Red aRRow]

Su_37 I've merged your "Brahmos Land attack version" thread with this one.

If you wanted to be brutal about it - yes.

. Nonetheless it's a formidable weapon.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Yes, it would be a clear threat to a majority of navies. In the last 18 months though there would be a few solutions that have neutralised its capacity to strike relatively at "will".

 

[The Watcher]

With brahmos as a threat for pakistani ships, its best for pakistan to move towards submarine based navy and have a good anti-air to counter the indian p3 orions-whenever they materialize.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Indias acquisition of the Brahmos makes it even more critical for Pakistan to have an effective ECM/AWACs/C4i layer under consideration.

Airborne ASW and AWACs can see vehicles on land let alone ships on the surface. The odds are harder for an ASW platform trying to find a sub.

In Pakistans case, a lot of consideration needs to be given to small fast cruise missile capable subs. You won't have the speed to keep up with a boomer, but if you have more (4-6 conventionals +/- ='s the price of a nuke SSK) then you even the odds up a bit more.

A small wolfpack is a greater threat to a nuke sub, especially as it has a limited time to shoot and scoot before someone in the pack gets a lock and lets go with their own response.

 

[elkaboingo]

cant brahmos be launched from a torpedo tube like harpoon and exocet?

i think the best way to counter this is to get the c-803

 

[gf0012-aust]

The Russian Yakhont could be sub launched, India has had problems in getting the Brahmos to be sub delivered. I'm not sure why that would be so as it is more or less the same weapon.

That would seem to indicate that its a fire control and systems integration problem within the Indian FCS suite, rather than a problem with the missile itself.