Who the hell has buy up the two 677 Lada class subs?

Aegis

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The use of state-of-the-art acoustic protection systems and original engineering innovations on Amur-class submarines will make them several times quieter than Kilo-class submarines. Amurs are well-suited to their underwater environment.

Two diesel-electric submarines of a new, fourth postwar generation have been laid down at the Admiralteiskiye Verfi state-owned shipyard in St. Petersburg. One submarine (Project 677 Lada), designated Sankt Peterburg, is being built for Russia's Navy, and the other (Amur-1650) is intended for export.

Both submarines are part of the same project and differ only in customer requirements and operational conditions. The submarines will have high submerged cruising range and endurance, combat efficiency and reliability, and low acoustic signature (characteristics of the Amur-1650 submarine are given in Table 1).

In the Jan/Feb '95 issue, Military Parade described in detail Amur-class submarines with a normal displacement of 550 to 1,850 m3, which were developed by the Rubin Central Marine Design Bureau. The magazine quoted the Project's General Designer Yuri Kormilitsin as saying: "The submarine has been conceived as a kind of an underwater sea hunter, capable of destroying any target – surface naval ships, transport vessels, or submarines – using torpedoes, missiles, mines and also with the help of frogmen."

The Rubin-designed submarine of the previous generation (Project 877, Kilo class) was described in the West as a "black hole in the ocean" for its low level of noise which prevented its detection. The use of state-of-the-art acoustic protection systems and original engineering innovations on Amur-class submarines will make them several times quieter than Kilo-class submarines. Amurs are well-suited to their underwater environment. Their sonar equipment includes highly sensitive direct-
listening transducers at the forward end and a towed transducer array.

Control of the submarine, its armament and equipment is highly automated and carried out from operators' consoles concentrated in the main control room.

Admiralteiskie Verfi has vast experience in building such vessels. The shipyard's Director General Vladimir Alexandrov said at the laying-down ceremony that the Sankt Peterburg is the 300th submarine built by Admiralteiskie Verfi. The shipyard's vessels are eagerly purchased by foreign navies. In November and December 1997 alone, two submarines (Projects 636 and 877 EKM) were turned over to foreign customers.
India is crazy to turn away this Lada class sub sale which is much better than Kilo.I wonder who is the foreign customer who bought these subs?
 

lalith prasad

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actually fas.org is very old news india's l and t and kirloskar were having plans to manufacture under licence the amurs at hazira they have also set up a jetty and other facilities there they are awaiting govt clearance.
 

Aegis

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lalith prasad said:
actually fas.org is very old news india's l and t and kirloskar were having plans to manufacture under licence the amurs at hazira they have also set up a jetty and other facilities there they are awaiting govt clearance.
If true,it will enhance India USW greatly!
 

tatra

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Aegis said:
neel24neo said:
india certainly was looking for amur class.dont know if any deal has materialised.
No,from www.fas.com.They turn away the deal and choose Kilo! The news nvr mention who is the foreign buyer!
The Kilo is substantially larger than the Lada. I figure the former is more intended for extended operations off shore, while the latter may be more suited for operations of shorter duration and closer to the coast.
 

Aegis

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tatra said:
Aegis said:
neel24neo said:
india certainly was looking for amur class.dont know if any deal has materialised.
No,from www.fas.com.They turn away the deal and choose Kilo! The news nvr mention who is the foreign buyer!
The Kilo is substantially larger than the Lada. I figure the former is more intended for extended operations off shore, while the latter may be more suited for operations of shorter duration and closer to the coast.
Lada has more endurance than Kilo and is intend to replace Kilo in every aspect! It's small size is due to advance technology which may replace a lot of bulky equipment and crew in the sub!
 

tatra

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I aplogize, I thought Lada was something other than Amur. However, it is not: Project 1650 Amur is the export version of Project 677 Lada


Kilo: Project 877
2,300-2,325 tons Surfaced
3,076-3,950 tons Full load submerged
10-12 knots Surfaced
17-25 knots Submerge
240 meters Operational
300 meters Maximum
6,000 miles With snorkel (@ 7 knots)
400 miles Submerged (@ 3 knots)
12.7 miles At full run (@ 21 knots)
45 days Sea Endurance

Kilo: Project 636
2,350 tons Surfaced
3,126-4,000 tons Full load submerged
11 knots Surfaced
20 knots Submerged
250 meters Operational
300 meters Maximum
7,500 miles With snorkel (@ 7 knots)
400 miles Submerged (@ 3 knots)
?? miles At full run (@ 20 knots)
45 days Sea Endurance

 

highsea

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The first of these, the Saint Petersburg, entered service a little over a month ago (Oct. 28). From what I have been able to glean, the second boat was about 25% behind in the construction cycle. Here is a picture from a Russian site, and a translation of the news story and some specs.



The oceans await our "Lada"

Vladimir GUNDAROV, the "Red Star".


Already during October at the plant "admiralty shipyards" in the northern capital will pass the solemn ceremony of descent to the water of a new Russian diesel-electric submarine (SSK)"Saint Petersburg" of project 677 "Lada". On this reported the design project leader OF TSKB MT. "Rubin" Igor Spasskiy, association of which developed the design of this submarine.

"Saint Petersburg" - the first submarine is not only of a new project. It opens the line SSK of the fourth generation. Its generation, in the essence, breakthrough in the technical and economic characteristics and technology. In it are realized more than hundred new scientific and design solutions. Radio-electronic armament, boat equipment and materials - last word of science and technology. In the opinion of the creators of submarine, it is the pilot project of all SSK, which will be constructed in the new century.

Basic difference in the energy-armament of submarine - the so-called"hydrogen small batteries". This is main power plant (GEU) of the locked type, because of which in comparison with the traditional storage batteriesof diesel-electric submarines several times is increased theindependence.

However, Russian designers thirty a (!) years ago proposed GEU with the electrochemical generator (EKHG). Hydrogen and oxygen were used as the fuel cells in it. The submarine S -273 of project 613 they re-equipped on to project 6133 "Katran". If usual boats at binodal speed without the booster charge could befound under water not more than four days, that with the use EKHG period increased to the month. The creation of diesels became the second direction in the designdevelopments, working on the closed cycle. Project 615 (Quebec) with the united engine, personified in the metal even in the middle of past century, it became unique in entire peace. But because of the frequent fires this submarine submariners themselves called it "cigarette lighter".

The project originators of "Saint Petersburg" guarantee, what safety of operation by their GEU - by an order is higher. Head developer of propulsive systems with EKHG - special design bureauof boiler construction. Drawing on experience of Ural electrochemical combine and NPO "energy"on the creation EKHG for the automatic spacecraft, SKB developed engine for the submarines "crystal -20", in which is used oxygen and hydrogen.

New submarine possesses tactical-technical elements, which, on the assertion of draftees, they will allow into two, and that three times to exceed on the combat effectiveness of thesubmarine of the third generation. New construction distinguishes the high degree of the automation ofthe processes of centralized control of all boat systems and weaponfrom the operator panels, located in primary command post. The power of rocket- torpedo complex is increased. "Saint Petersburg" they will arm with new antiship missile complex KLUB- S with the new automated information system for control ofweapon. New inertial navigation complex will be established. Hydroacoustic complex is also built on the new element base and withthe newest software. In the nose extremity highly sensitive hydrophone antenna is placed. Fundamentally new universal multifunctional periscope is established, not penetrating into the durable housing. Is inculcated the new system of the method of radio-information fromthe coast in the underwater position.

The level of underwater noise is reduced by more than 30 decibels, and the level of the radiated acoustic power - is more than into thousands of times! Thus, the noisiness of new boat will be practically approximating the background values of sea. Consequently, on the reticence it must exceed all submarines, built thus far not only, but also somewhere abroad.

Tactical-technical elements of the submarine of project 677 of"harmony"

Quantity of torpedo tubes, unit. - 6.
Above-water (normal) the water-ism
shcheniye, me - 2.350.
Length, m - 73.8.
Width (diameter of durable housing), m - 9.9.
Speed of complete underwater running, knots. - 20.
Distance of underwater floating with the economic speed, miles - 400.
Crew, man. - 52.
(tactical-technical elements of submarine they are undertaken from the official site FGUP "admiralty shipyards").


 
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