What is the difference between ASIS and ASIO?
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davidcandy
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ASIO are secret police. They spy on us.
ASIS is like the CIA. They are spys. They spy on overseas people. They aren't allowed guns since they kidnapped a hotel full of people in a training exercise (many years ago in Melbourne).
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ASIS is like the CIA. They are spys. They spy on overseas people. They aren't allowed guns since they kidnapped a hotel full of people in a training exercise (many years ago in Melbourne).
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RubiconNZ
The Wanderer
Asion and ASIS
Thats right ASIO is Domestic, ASIS is the quivalent to CIA and MI6 the Bonds if you will, I believe ASIS are unarmed officially but I dont buy that for a second, even more so after 911, and you can bet that when ASIO was double in size ASIS had something similar take palce. thats right I remember that I believe they were on a training op and weren't the Federal Police called in?
Thats right ASIO is Domestic, ASIS is the quivalent to CIA and MI6 the Bonds if you will, I believe ASIS are unarmed officially but I dont buy that for a second, even more so after 911, and you can bet that when ASIO was double in size ASIS had something similar take palce. thats right I remember that I believe they were on a training op and weren't the Federal Police called in?
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ASIS field operators are cleared for carriage now. albeit under specific circumstances.robsta83 said:
evidently, there's also not much "james bond" stuff done in either org.
davidcandy
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I gave a link to the ASIS story. There was a Royal Commission. I remember waking up to the news.
There was some talk by JH (PM) that ASIS's ban on active missions was to be reconsidered. I think this is a mistake.
I think it's a mistake because spies shouldn't be noticed. Apart from liason officers and management when did you last hear of an Australian spy. If they become like the CIA then they will appear in the papers as often. Also ASIS officers would be illegal combatants.
There was some talk by JH (PM) that ASIS's ban on active missions was to be reconsidered. I think this is a mistake.
I think it's a mistake because spies shouldn't be noticed. Apart from liason officers and management when did you last hear of an Australian spy. If they become like the CIA then they will appear in the papers as often. Also ASIS officers would be illegal combatants.
The Hilton Hotel incident is not reflective of the contemporary conditions they work under now though.davidcandy said:
I disagree. If they are in harms way they have the right to defend themselves if in an unfortunate contact position. That should be few and far between, but they still should be able to look after themselves.davidcandy said:
Invariably they aren't. Its just fortunate that the bulk of our operators aren't in the public eye. In fact, a lot of the DC staff at specific levels from other countries are in old fashioned terms regarded as Intel operators, or in Cold War terms, "spies".davidcandy said:
I know of a few from my old days in Fed employ, but I would also expect them not to be noticed due to the public role of their positions. They're actually good at their job in that sense as no one would suspect them of anything. You'd be surprised at how many official embassy staff positions for in-country staff are deemed foreign intelligence operators. If they're doing it, you can bet that we're doing it. Nobody however, talks about it, as everyone knows that everyone else is doing it.davidcandy said:
The "great game" may not be as frantic and serious as it was pre 89, but its still serious business for different reasons. Whereas the focus in the past was for military intel, a lot of it now is commercial intel. ASIS won't, they're domestic. If caught with a weapon in unfortunate circumstances, and if weapons usage was not cleared, then they would be subject to Commonwealth Law and then Common Law provisions. I'd hazard a guess that any ASIS Officer carrying a weapon has been signed off to do it.davidcandy said:
ASIS officer do carry guns on certain missions
The incident where masked and drunk ASIS officers ran through the hotel and threatened staff with empty guns was at the Sheraton Hotel in Melbourne back in 1983, not the Hilton. This is known as 'the Sheraton hotel incident. They were actually quite lucky that the Melbourne police kept a cool head and didn't open fire on them, as the ASIS operatives were drunk in a car with masks on and all holding empty firearms, although the cops didn't know that. ha ha ha
As for whether ASIS officers carry guns or not, YES they do on SOME missions and approved by superiors do carry semi-automatic handguns. This officially came into effect a couple years after 9/11. Note: their job is mainly gathering intelligence and mixing with the public, its not at all like the James Bond movies, maybe just 1% of the work involves anything like that.
The incident where masked and drunk ASIS officers ran through the hotel and threatened staff with empty guns was at the Sheraton Hotel in Melbourne back in 1983, not the Hilton. This is known as 'the Sheraton hotel incident. They were actually quite lucky that the Melbourne police kept a cool head and didn't open fire on them, as the ASIS operatives were drunk in a car with masks on and all holding empty firearms, although the cops didn't know that. ha ha ha
As for whether ASIS officers carry guns or not, YES they do on SOME missions and approved by superiors do carry semi-automatic handguns. This officially came into effect a couple years after 9/11. Note: their job is mainly gathering intelligence and mixing with the public, its not at all like the James Bond movies, maybe just 1% of the work involves anything like that.
secret squirrels
no I think the incident that was more recent and involved 2 ASIO officers with a silenced .22 and a syringe attacked a hotel guest who got off the elevator because the live exercise did not require a lock down of the floor they were operating on, now I state again exercise not operation.
hey gf long time no see hey. I always was told as a federal employee no matter what arm or corp, branch whatever live carry was allowed under martial law or if the cockwatch was the right color?
no I think the incident that was more recent and involved 2 ASIO officers with a silenced .22 and a syringe attacked a hotel guest who got off the elevator because the live exercise did not require a lock down of the floor they were operating on, now I state again exercise not operation
.hey gf long time no see hey. I always was told as a federal employee no matter what arm or corp, branch whatever live carry was allowed under martial law or if the cockwatch was the right color?
Stryker001
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In the beginning, not much difference ASIS was the international desk inside ASIO, when PNG was Australian territory ASIO would operate there from various Government jobs. Now it would be ASIS.
ASIS are under the FM and ASIO are under the AG.
The officer sent from UK who help establish ASIO was a double for the KGB. Neither ASIS nor ASIO are allowed to conduct target killings as the CIA and Mossad do allegedly.
A royal commission into SAPOL action in a certain matter was not disclosed to the public, yet the report into Haneef was disclosed showing the flaws in the intelligence apparatus to the enemy.
Before Dennis became director of ASIO the AFP was left out of the loop, now there is conflict as to who does what and who gets listened too.
All bleed money.
ASIS are under the FM and ASIO are under the AG.
The officer sent from UK who help establish ASIO was a double for the KGB. Neither ASIS nor ASIO are allowed to conduct target killings as the CIA and Mossad do allegedly.
A royal commission into SAPOL action in a certain matter was not disclosed to the public, yet the report into Haneef was disclosed showing the flaws in the intelligence apparatus to the enemy.
Before Dennis became director of ASIO the AFP was left out of the loop, now there is conflict as to who does what and who gets listened too.
All bleed money.
Stryker001
Banned Member
Because intelligence can be disregards from one organisation over the other, a psychological profile of the Minister in charge of the situation will telegraph which dossiers will be accepted. That can be exploited in a number of ways via barium meals. Hence, it would be known to foreign intelligence that Andrews would always have taken the AFP dossier over that of ASIO.
Indian Intelligence knew this, so they did this.
A cup of tea and 20 minutes chat and Haneef would have been cut lose, as such the AFP was exposed via Indian Intelligence offering a barium meal via Indian Police to Mick Keelty via the media. Therefore, India could establish if the AFP had anything factual on their citizen. The Indian spymaster established that the AFP investigation was not factual.
Indian Intelligence knew this, so they did this.
A cup of tea and 20 minutes chat and Haneef would have been cut lose, as such the AFP was exposed via Indian Intelligence offering a barium meal via Indian Police to Mick Keelty via the media. Therefore, India could establish if the AFP had anything factual on their citizen. The Indian spymaster established that the AFP investigation was not factual.
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Stryker001
Banned Member
Assets
Here is another example on the use of assets K Rudd nor Labor was popular with business, via his history with China. A leak to a business contact in Australia, then that person think that the confidential information was leaked offshore to Singapore and Hong Kong. The people in Hong Kong and Singapore leak that information back to Australia, so it appear it has come from overseas. Thus, Howard lost the monopoly on being pro business and Government.
By not telling the Prime Minister that a recession was coming, but leaking to the next person who would become Prime Minister or who one decided the country needed to stop divisions in the community not necessarily the Opposition Leader and election is won and lost before it started.
Of course one would have needed to know that a recession was coming, you did not. Just like the external affairs powers going around in a circle to get the desired result. Cost 20 cents result priceless. Just like marky marky and the funky bunch. All you had to do was ask funky bunch now I understand what Australian values are. 1.5 trillion 10 tonnes of cocaine, Anyone remember the Iran/Contra affair Noriega who unleash the beast 'crack cocaine' in the US of A.
What we will do funky bunch once when are all deceased, is Phoenix on the funky bunch descendants and asymmetrical on innocents to prevent harboring of the funky bunch, then the new funky bunch will know what the cost of treason is and perhaps think the cost is not worth it. Perhaps.
Here is another example on the use of assets K Rudd nor Labor was popular with business, via his history with China. A leak to a business contact in Australia, then that person think that the confidential information was leaked offshore to Singapore and Hong Kong. The people in Hong Kong and Singapore leak that information back to Australia, so it appear it has come from overseas. Thus, Howard lost the monopoly on being pro business and Government.
By not telling the Prime Minister that a recession was coming, but leaking to the next person who would become Prime Minister or who one decided the country needed to stop divisions in the community not necessarily the Opposition Leader and election is won and lost before it started.
Of course one would have needed to know that a recession was coming, you did not. Just like the external affairs powers going around in a circle to get the desired result. Cost 20 cents result priceless. Just like marky marky and the funky bunch. All you had to do was ask funky bunch now I understand what Australian values are. 1.5 trillion 10 tonnes of cocaine, Anyone remember the Iran/Contra affair Noriega who unleash the beast 'crack cocaine' in the US of A.
What we will do funky bunch once when are all deceased, is Phoenix on the funky bunch descendants and asymmetrical on innocents to prevent harboring of the funky bunch, then the new funky bunch will know what the cost of treason is and perhaps think the cost is not worth it. Perhaps.
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wow
yay for the funky bunch, politics will always rule operations whether conaus or offshore. Yes the Special agents do operate at time overseas/vice-versa on cases of their own as does others, cooperation between is alot more cooperative than ever except in house political turmoil still exists.
but there is a pecking order and such in house politics are forever there.
basically the question was what is the difference.
ASIS external, ASIO internal and Federal Police is like the Secret service.
:nutkick soory I just like this smiley
yay for the funky bunch, politics will always rule operations whether conaus or offshore. Yes the Special agents do operate at time overseas/vice-versa on cases of their own as does others, cooperation between is alot more cooperative than ever except in house political turmoil still exists.
but there is a pecking order and such in house politics are forever there.
basically the question was what is the difference.
ASIS external, ASIO internal and Federal Police is like the Secret service.
:nutkick soory I just like this smiley