USS San Francisco runs aground

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One sailor dead, 23 injured. :(
CNN) -- A U.S. sailor died Sunday, after sustaining injuries in a nuclear submarine accident a day earlier in the western Pacific, according to a statement from the U.S. Pacific Fleet.

The sailor -- whose identity has not been released -- was one of 24 wounded when the USS San Francisco ran aground about 350 miles (560 km) south of Guam -- the nearest land mass -- while it was conducting submerged operations, USPF said.

Navy sources said the submarine was en route to Brisbane, Australia for a port visit.

Lt. Adam Clampitt of USPF, speaking to CNN from his base in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, said there was no damage to the nuclear reactor.

The submarine is slowly making its way back to its port in Guam, where it is expected to arrive Monday afternoon, Guam time. Guam is 15 hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time.

The submarine did sustain some damage to its exterior.

"When the ship arrives back to its port, there will be an investigation to evaluate the extent of the damage," Clampitt said.

The accident happened Saturday around noon Guam time and a Navy medical team was immediately dispatched to the remote location. The team arrived Sunday morning to treat the wounded, but the one sailor died that afternoon, Clampitt said.

"Anytime we lose a shipmate it's a great loss," he said, offering his sincere condolences to the sailor's family and friends.

The medical team remains on board the submarine, as it slowly returns to Guam, to treat the other 23 injured crew members for a range of injuries including broken bones, lacerations, bruises and a back injury.

One of the crew members' injuries are "extremely serious," Clampitt said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/01/09/nuclear.submarine/

The San Francisco is a Los Angeles class SSN. The 24th. boat of the class and the 6th. one built by NNS. She was commisioned in 1981.
 

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Not yet, this is all the Navy has said:
USS SAN FRANCISCO runs aground during submerged operations at 12 noon, January 8, Guam Time. The extent of the injuries and damage aboard the submarine is still being assessed, but includes one critical injury and several other lesser injuries. The submarine is on the surface and is making best speed back to its homeport in Guam.

There were no reports of damage to the reactor plant which is operating normally.

Military and Coast Guard aircraft are enroute to monitor and assist in the situation.
Likely either navigation error or equipment failure, there's really only two ways to run a ship aground, unless they hit something uncharted, which isn't really likely, considering the sensor suite on a LA class boat.

That's assuming they didn't "bump into" anyone, in which case we wouldn't hear about it anyway...
 

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Looks like the skipper is going into early retirement! I'd say the incident is most likely caused by human error considering how sophisticated the equipments are onboard a Los Angeles class SSN.
 

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How many boomers are based in Guam?
Just a distinction here, the submarines based in Guam are L.A. Class (688 ) fast attack boats (SSN's). They are the USS San Francisco (SSN 711), the USS Houston (SSN 713), and the USS City of Corpus Christi (SSN 705).

"Boomers" are ballistic missile subs (SSBN's). They are are all homeported in the US, half in Kings Bay, Georgia, and the other half in Bangor, Washington. SSBN's are much larger, 560 feet long and 18,750 tons, and carry the Trident 2 nuclear missiles. SSN's are 360 feet long and 6,900 tons and carry torps and TLAM's.

The San Francsico has reached port in Guam, and the injured sailors have received medical treatment, mostly for broken bones and lacerations. This was the second grounding of a 688 class in 13 months. In November 2003, the USS Hartford (SSN 768 ) grounded in the Mediterranean Sea.
 

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Navy submarine accident that killed one sailor and injured 24 others occurred when the vessel -- traveling at high speed -- hit an undersea mountain head-on, Pentagon officials said Monday.

Saturday's accident caused part of the sonar dome, which is part of the submarine's nose, to flood, officials said.

The commander of the USS San Francisco, Kevin Mooney, has not been relieved of duty while the investigation of the accident continues.

Mooney could be relieved of duty if officials determine there is enough evidence that the accident could have been averted.

The investigation will look at the sub's speed, its location and whether the undersea formation was on navigational charts, officials said.

The submarine was traveling in excess of 30 knots -- about 45 mph -- when its nose hit the undersea formation head-on, officials said.

The nuclear submarine docked Monday at a U.S. naval base in Guam, a spokesman with the U.S. Pacific Fleet said.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/10/nuclear.submarine.update/

Hittting an undersea mountain at high speed is no trivial thing. Amazing that more damage was not done, or even the loss of the submarine. I have to say, I am very impressed with the toughness of the sub to withstand such a collision and remain seaworthy.
 

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Unfortunately it's not an uncommon occurrence. The French grounded the Amethyste last year in the Med. It hit a charted seamount, so it's not as if they didn't have warning. Both China and Russia have lost subs in similar incidents. IIRC the Russians have lost 5 or 6 altogether.

Subs only have a depth reading from whats called a Fathometer - and it is not used all the time for various reasons. It's a bit like a glorified "fish finder".

Even the poor poms have grounded a skimmer off of the coast of australia, and he hit the only charted rock for thousands of kilometres! Sometimes its just pure bad luck.
 

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Well certainly their forward scanning sonar would have seen the mountain if they had been using it. Hell, I use one when I go into unfamiliar anchorages, chase tuna, etc. And you know my commercial Furuno is nowhere near what the USN has.

At 30 knots, and especially navigating so near to underwater bottom features, it seems almost inconceivable that they weren't using active sonar, unless they were playing hide and seek with someone.

GF, how is position verified when they are submerged and can't use GPS? Do they have a radio navigation system similar to LORAN or ADF's but for underwater use? I have navigated by following bottom contours with a fathometer and dead reckoning, but you know this is not a precise method.
 

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Another update, they were not using active sonar, and the seamount was apparently not on their charts. They were at a depth of 400 feet.

A nuclear attack submarine that ran aground Saturday in the South Pacific, killing one sailor and injuring 23 others, appears to have smashed into an undersea mountain that was not on its charts, Navy officials said yesterday.

The submarine, the San Francisco, was cruising at high speed - about 30 knots - and was more than 400 feet below the surface when the accident forced it to blow air into its emergency ballast tanks to surface.

Some of the tanks were damaged by the impact. One officer said the effort to keep the submarine afloat was initially "very touch and go."

The officials said navigational charts are prepared from both government and commercial soundings of the ocean depths, many dating back centuries. Given the vastness of the oceans, they said, there could still be small areas that were never properly charted or where earthquakes have altered the contours.

The officials said it appeared that the San Francisco, which was en route to Australia, had not strayed off course.

"The initial reports are that they were using the proper charts, and they were where they were supposed to be and at the depth they were supposed to be," said a former Navy officer who was briefed on the accident.

Similar accidents have happened before, in part because submarines typically do not use their active sonar systems, which emit loud pings, to navigate.

Instead, submarines try to operate silently, relying on undersea charts, checks with navigation satellites and passive sonar systems that pick up the noises of other vessels.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/11/national/11nuke.html
 

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could be they collide with a chinese sub and to embarassed to admit that their multi million dolar sonar suite failed to detect it.:D :D
 

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WASHINGTON (AFP) Jan 20, 2005
The commander of a US nuclear powered submarine that ran into an undersea mountain in the Pacific, killing a crew member and injuring 23 others, has been reassigned pending the outcome of an investigation into the mishap, the US Navy said Thursday.
Commander Kevin Mooney was relieved of command of the USS San Francisco at the direction of Vice Admiral Johanthan Greenert, the commander of the US Seventh Fleet based in Yokosuka, Japan, the navy said.

Mooney was "reassigned pending the results of an investigation into the subs grounding during operations in the Western Pacific Ocean," the fleet said in a statement.

The Los Angeles class attack submarine slammed head-on into what defense officials said was an apparently uncharted undersea mountain 560 kilometers (350 miles) south of Guam on January 8, partly flooding the sonar dome in the vessel's bow.

Machinist Mate 2nd Class John Allen Ashley, 24, of Akron, Ohio, died two days later of injuries suffered in the grounding.

Twenty-three other crew members were treated for injuries that ranged from broken bones to cuts and bruises and a back injury, navy officials said.
And he just did! First step towards a court martial is always reassigning of duties.
 

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Reassignment of the Commander is normal under these circumstances. If the investigation shows no faults or failures in procedures, I doubt he will be punished. After all, if the Seamount was uncharted, and they were where they were supposed to be and following the correct procedures wrt soundings and navigation, then no one is to blame, it's just one of those things.

Anyway, here's another update. I will post the entire article because the source requires registration.
Danger Zone That Wasn't, and a Sub's Hidden Peril
By CHRISTOPHER DREW

Published: January 23, 2005


Satellite images of the area where a nuclear submarine grounded two weeks ago clearly show a wedge-shaped undersea mountain that stretches across more than a mile of a desolate expanse of the South Pacific.

Military officials have said the mountain, which rises within 100 feet of the surface, was not on the navigation charts that the Navy uses. One sailor was killed and 60 were injured when the submarine, the San Francisco, smashed into the mountain, or a reef jutting out from it, at high speed on Jan. 8.

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The satellite images, taken in 1999 and early 2004, suggest that the mountain is part of a larger range of undersea volcanoes and reefs. And they show that it sits more than three miles to the northwest of the nearest possible hazard on the charts.

Scientists who have studied the images say it is likely that the submarine's officers believed they had safely skirted the danger zone - with the vessel about 500 feet below the surface - only to crash head-on into the mountain.

David Sandwell, a geophysics professor at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in San Diego, said it was also possible that the danger zone - an oval area described as containing "discolored water" - was a mistaken and poorly located reference to the undersea mountain.

Defense Department officials have said that the notation dated to the early 1960's, and that it probably came from a surface ship that had spotted murky water. The discoloration could have been a temporary problem, like an oil slick, or a hazy indication of an undersea structure.

But the satellite images do not show any obstacles in that danger zone. And because it was hard for ships to get a precise fix on their coordinates before satellites came into wide use, Dr. Sandwell said, it is likely that the murky water was an early sign of the undersea mountain, and that the sailors who spotted it simply charted it in the wrong location.

"It seems relatively clear that that's what happened," he said.

Navy officials have said that the San Francisco, a nuclear attack submarine, crashed into the mountain 360 miles southeast of Guam on its way to Brisbane, Australia, a popular liberty port for sailors. Its bow was severely damaged, and 23 sailors were hurt too badly to stand watch as the vessel limped back to Guam.

The exact location of the crash remains classified. But the undersea mountain shows up on the satellite images at 7 degrees, 45.1 minutes north latitude and 147 degrees, 12.6 minutes east longitude.

The Navy is looking into the crash, which occurred in a little-used area that has never been systematically charted. Last week, the Navy reassigned the vessel's captain while investigators examine whether he should bear any blame.

The main chart on the submarine was prepared by another agency within the Defense Department in 1989. Officials at the charting office have said they never had the resources to use the huge volumes of satellite data to improve their charts.

The submarine was traveling at more than 30 knots - close to its top speed - when the accident occurred. Scientists said the images were taken by the government's Landsat 7 satellite.

Besides relying on charts, submarines also receive fixes from navigation satellites and take soundings of water depths. According to officials, the San Francisco's officers have said they took a sounding just four minutes before the crash, and it indicated that the vessel was still in 6,000 feet of water.

It is possible that the San Francisco could have detected the undersea mountain if it had used its active sonar system. But since early in the cold war, submarines have avoided using active sonar, which emits loud pings that can give away their location. Even on training missions, they practice operating silently and rely on passive sonar systems that can detect only ships and other objects making noise.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/23/national/23submarine.html?oref=login
 

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http://www.vaq34.com/junk/usssf_damage.jpg

Pic of the sub showing above water hull damage.

Thats a nasty piece of buckling. it's canned the sonar cap and caused a ripple right up to the array.

Considering the fact that she hit the seamount at over 30 knots, then it's a bloody strong boat.
 

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Here's a couple more pictures in the drydock. Sure tore hell out of her.

Caption reads:
The Los Angeles-class fast-attack submarine USS San Francisco (SSN 711) is in dry dock in Apra Harbor, Guam, January 27, 2005 to assess damage sustained after running aground approximately 350 miles south of Guam Jan. 8, 2005. The Navy former dry dock known as 'Big Blue' is capable of docking ships that weigh up to 40,000 Long Tons. The Navy certified Big Blue for the one-time docking of San Francisco. San Francisco is the second fast-attack submarine to be attached to the forward-deployed Submarine Squadron Fifteen, home ported on board Naval Base Guam. FOR EDITORIAL USE ONLY REUTERS/Mark A. Leonesio/U.S. Navy photo/Handout
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050127/ids_photos_ts/r2905635547.jpg
 
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