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SolarWind

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Is the A-10 hopelessly outdated for modern warfare? Should the A-10 be divested in favor of stealthy high-flying jet fighters and various drone platforms? The war in Ukraine is showing the modern battlefield is a dangerous place for CAS. Perhaps that role should be given to UAVs/drones.
 
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Terran

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Yes.
Yes is the answer. We could rehash it all, but at its heart the A10 has had a huge PR campaign. It’s cemented the aircraft as an icon. I am amazed we haven’t had a Topgun style movie of A10 pilots playing volleyball in the desert and slaughtering hundreds of tanks or dog fighting migs or something like that.
The most serious argument I have ever seen to Keep A10s flying basically is to repeat what the USAF does with B52.
Basically fly it as a baby B52 where in everything else is irrelevant it’s just a flying hard point for guided munitions. So no Brrrrtt if anything the Brrrrttt would be a hindrance.
 

ngatimozart

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Boeing have released a video of the new B-52 engine nacelles for the RR F-130 engines that will be used to re-engine the BUFF This Is What The B-52 Will Look Like With Its New Rolls-Royce Engines. The F-130s are the military variants of the civilian RR BR700 engines that are used to power the Gulfstream GV / G550 / G650, as well as the USAF C-37 and E-11.


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B-52 Model With RR F-130 Nacelles In Wind Tunnel.

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Right Wing Nacelles From The Front.

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Left Wing Nacelles From The Rear.

The BUFF will also be receiving the AN/APG79 AESA radar, the same that is fitted to the F-18E/F. This can be scaled up to fit the BUFF's larger radome. It is one of the new modifications and upgrades that aircraft is due to receive.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Boeing have released a video of the new B-52 engine nacelles for the RR F-130 engines that will be used to re-engine the BUFF This Is What The B-52 Will Look Like With Its New Rolls-Royce Engines. The F-130s are the military variants of the civilian RR BR700 engines that are used to power the Gulfstream GV / G550 / G650, as well as the USAF C-37 and E-11.


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B-52 Model With RR F-130 Nacelles In Wind Tunnel.

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Right Wing Nacelles From The Front.

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Left Wing Nacelles From The Rear.

The BUFF will also be receiving the AN/APG79 AESA radar, the same that is fitted to the F-18E/F. This can be scaled up to fit the BUFF's larger radome. It is one of the new modifications and upgrades that aircraft is due to receive.
I dont understand why the US didn't re-engine the B52 long time ago. After so many decades of operation, the change to quieter and less fuel consuming engines will be undoubtly a huge leap forwards.





Starting from 27 September, the USAF grounded 116 of the older Hercules aircraft, including variants of the C-130H, after cracks in the propeller barrel assembly were discovered in some of the planes that had older propellers. The Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard, which have older planes, are most heavily hit by the groundings.

This is quite worrying, because for many airforces the classic C-130H forms the backbone of their transport fleet.

 
I dont understand why the US didn't re-engine the B52 long time ago. After so many decades of operation, the change to quieter and less fuel consuming engines will be undoubtly a huge leap forwards.





Starting from 27 September, the USAF grounded 116 of the older Hercules aircraft, including variants of the C-130H, after cracks in the propeller barrel assembly were discovered in some of the planes that had older propellers. The Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard, which have older planes, are most heavily hit by the groundings.

This is quite worrying, because for many airforces the classic C-130H forms the backbone of their transport fleet.

The biggest issue for Boeing & USAF was finding a compatible 8-engine hi-bipass turbofan engine. Due to the extant flight controls and wiring the decision was made, on costs, to retain the x8 engine configuration. The costs of replacing B52 analog flight controls with more efficient, larger but fewer engines was/is prohibative.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Perhaps the “bridge tanker” is dead. The USAF has requested vendors to offer blended wing designs for a future cargo/tanker aircraft. The goal is more capacity and reduced fuel burn (achieved by the blended wing design together with improved engine technologies). A blended wing design also offers improved stealth compared to cylindrical tube/wing designs.

 

John Fedup

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John Fedup

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Sandhi Yudha

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|"Flying tankers without copilots is one idea Air Mobility Command is trying out as it considers the tactics it may need in a possible military conflict with China. The Air Force has stressed that approach would not be the norm."|
So it seems to be an experiment for emergency situations, to see if its possible to replace the copilot with the boom-operator.
Hopefully they will not later change plans, to make this way of operating as standard for cost saving measures.
 

Terran

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Frontal view of the B-21 revealed. In "daytime" gray ;)
I wonder why it's smaller than the B2. Reduction in payload and range, no?
Costs. The B21 is the result of the Long Range Strike Bomber program which came about during the tenure of Secretary Gates. He was insistent that I’d be smaller and cheaper lest a repeat of the B2 program which ended up in the double trouble of a high sticker price combined with a Congress who were happy to cut production. The want is for the USAF to at minimum get 80 aircraft optimally 100 and preferably up to 200 bombers.
 

SolarisKenzo

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Had to stay up till 3 am, but It was worth It...
A smaller, cheaper bomber that can replace B2s and B1s ( B52 Is Forever ) in consistent numbers Is surely a step ahead in nuclear deterrence...
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Imagine if this NG unveiling of the Raider was totally fake and the actual Raider is something totally different. Which would be first in the air, a Chinese copy of the the fake or the “real” Raider? At $500B a copy I wouldn’t be doing any public showing.
 

FormerDirtDart

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Perhaps a one to one replacement of KC-10s with MRTTs should be part of the future tanking requirement.

That would be a significant loss of cargo capacity as current MRTTs don't offer main deck cargo capability. Losing over 2/3 available pallet space per aircraft I believe. I know over the years cargo concepts have been displayed/modeled, but they've never been built.
 

swerve

Super Moderator
There are A330 & Boeing 767 freighters. What would be the problem with combining the cargo & tanker modifications?
 

FormerDirtDart

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There are A330 & Boeing 767 freighters. What would be the problem with combining the cargo & tanker modifications?
Obviously should be able to be accomplished, just never has been.
Even the recent Lockheed Martin/Airbus LMXT aimed at the USAF KC-Y program did not have a main deck cargo capability.
 

FormerDirtDart

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I would note that we essentially had this same tanker discussion back in Sep 2021.
Starting back around post #731 on this thread ;)
 
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