US Space Force

Terran

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Unless you have been living in a cave, by now you should be aware that the US DOD is spinning off of the USAF a new service the US Space Force. Every aspect of the new borne service is currently under critique from Military watchers to pop culture to the point of satirical TV series (Netflix Space Force) and Sci-fi movies (Ad Astria).

Aspects like the first official Uniform (a modified version of the USAF OCP combat uniform).
The Seal and flag (Oft compared to A Startrek line art that dates to the 1990s) have been criticized.

Even Captain James T. Kirk himself (William Shatner) in a violation of the Temporal Prime Directive has written an oped in proposing Naval ranking. William Shatner wants to know: What the heck is wrong with you, Space Force?
An argument backed by Retired USN S.E.A.L. Lt. Commander turned US rep. Dan Crenshaw (R) Texas 2, Whom has written the so called “Starfleet Amendment” ‘Starfleet’ amendment puts Space Force in a political bind - SpaceNews

As such it seems rather odd that there has not yet been a dedicated thread to the formation of this new Service. From Financial, Esprit de corps, Mission aspects, mission equipment, basing, Uniforming and more all would be news worthy.
With the low hanging fruits like the continued operation of X37B, GPS, spy and Military communications satellites, ASAT systems and General DOD launches.
 

ngatimozart

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Think the Netflix series is pretty well on the mark especially wrt to the USAF :D I think that Adm Kirk has every right to have written his OPED and he hasn't broken the Temporal Prime Directive, yet, unless he's given them Star Fleet material or info from the future.
 

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Unless you have been living in a cave, by now you should be aware that the US DOD is spinning off of the USAF a new service the US Space Force. Every aspect of the new borne service is currently under critique from Military watchers to pop culture to the point of satirical TV series (Netflix Space Force) and Sci-fi movies (Ad Astria).

Aspects like the first official Uniform (a modified version of the USAF OCP combat uniform).
The Seal and flag (Oft compared to A Startrek line art that dates to the 1990s) have been criticized.
Yeah, because camouflage is so, so necessary for space missions. Or for sitting in front of a screen thousands of miles from an enemy. :(
 

Terran

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Yeah, because camouflage is so, so necessary for space missions. Or for sitting in front of a screen thousands of miles from an enemy. :(
In their defense 3 points.

  1. The USAF as well as sister services in the US Army and USN are still sorting their camouflage uniform debacles in the Forms of ABU, ACU UCP and NWU. Choosing OCP ACU Is a safe bet. Established supply, easy apply despite it all they are still USAF for the moment. It’s just easier to slap new name tapes on an call it a day.

  2. Despite how it seems USSF ah... Starship Toopers? Are probably more likely to be in The moon scapes of Afghanistan than the Afghan scape of the Moon. Even if it’s just to play cable guy eventually they will be deployed. Earth side.

  3. If we used the USAF as our analog than in 1947-1952 This year being basically 1948 this was the official USAF uniform the same as the US Army Pinks and greens for the officers browns for the men. Transitional Period It would still be another 2 Years before the first USAF unique and most beautiful uniforms appeared Uxbridge blue winter and Silver tans summer.

  4. Yes I said 3, So number 4 is An aside. Pointing out that the mother service USAF has had a long standing internal battle over its service dress uniform set. After CSAF Admiral...err... General McPeak redesigned the Service dress in 1991 introducing aspects that make it look either Naval or like an Airliner crew. It proved unpopular In 1994 exactly one week after McPeaks retirement the uniform he designed was burned in a bonfire at ground zero of the Pentagon... Well not seriously. However they did scrap it though. However McPeak had already killed the McConnell uniform It’s predecessor. Which was a modified version of the second generation Service blues. Service whites were retiring from the Army and Airforce by 95, Semiformal Blacks had been killed in 83 for Cerimonial Blues that were supposed to be gone by 94. This just left the Blues as service and Dress. A quick tailoring job created the current USAF Blues by deleting the Commonwealth/Navy style sleeve braids the shoulder straps were back along with chest pockets. That style won the day yet the older style Ceremonial blues still appeared as a distinctive dress. The USAF has in the last years talked of and looked into a replacement for its Service At least twice. New service dress prototypes pique interest In Search of the Perfect Uniform - Air Force Magazine The Air Force is working on a new dress blues uniform — and it’s going old school New Dress Blues in 2019? Not Just Yet, Air Force Says since the USAF can’t figure out what to wear how is the USSF? Especially when they don’t even know what to call each other. The Netflix show has them even do an episode pointing this out. Well the main service uniform is little more than Service Blues with a matching blue dress shirt.

Think the Netflix series is pretty well on the mark especially wrt to the USAF :D I think that Adm Kirk has every right to have written his OPED and he hasn't broken the Temporal Prime Directive, yet, unless he's given them Star Fleet material or info from the future.
First Captain James T. Kirk (Not to be confused with Rear Adm James A. Kirk USN. No relation... Yet.) was demoted for insubordination. Second I agree he wasn’t wrong to write it, however I also disagree with him.
For the foreseeable future the US Space Force is a terrestrial organization centered around terrestrial and atmospheric operations. The naval organization base works best with ship board operations, and expanded beyond the forms of the USN and USCG To Beyond that with the NOAA and PHS Commissioned Officer Corps. Unless Stargate SG1 wasn’t fiction we are well to early for Mahan style space battles with Space battleships, Battle stars and the like. The Realm of space operations are primarily to be planed and Commanded by ground control centers Using Unmanned assets. Likely to be the smallest of the services with the largest investment of research and development. The closest to kinetic operations being ASAT baring some Orbital kinetic bombardment system actually being built.
821D8295-3181-42BE-9065-75CFEED83C2F.jpeg Note the modified Rank ensignia for the Chief Master Sgt. Already elements of a unique service have appeared
 

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foreseeable future the US Space Force is a terrestrial organization centered around terrestrial and atmospheric operations.
It's only for another 43 years before Zefram Cochrane fly his Warp engine anyway :D.
Seriously though, the Space Force build seems more on how to have a service that going to handle increasingly space competition. Cold War USAF only have to think one other adversary that have the ability to arm space vehicles. Now at least 5 other countries that able to do that.

Potential to build moon base is not too far fetch anymore for those few countries outside US, especially China and Russia. Give incentives for Moon minerals for example, I can see financial effort will be put perhaps in another two decades to do that.

Just like Gene Roddenberry says, 'space the final frontier' will come in the end. Thus Space Force in the end is the natural development for Armed Services, and it's logical to build it from USAF with organization and operating procedure from AF first.

Anyway, I got impression before long, the guy in the left will make the guy in the Right as commander of Independent Service branch and not just Sub Branch service as stand now.
 

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Terran

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Listening to an interview In 2 parts on the Space Force With Lt.General Steven Kwest retired.


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Look at X37B doors open.
 
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