The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

KipPotapych

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Unpopular (?) opinion: Ukraine strikes any and all Russian trucks without any differentiation and claims them to be something else, while in reality absolute majority of these are purely civilian logistics. It follows that there is little to no effect at the frontline now or will be in the future.

In that ^ particular case, it looks nothing like a fuel burn. Probably because it isn’t.
 

KipPotapych

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Zelensky in February: 55,000 UA troops killed in 4 years of war.


Zelensky yesterday: Ukraine lost 50,000 troops in the war.


In February, it was a “large number of people are considered officially missing”. Yesterday, It was a “huge number of people who have disappeared”. I guess that is somewhat consistent.

According to yesterday’s number provided by Zelensky, Russia, so far, returned more than half of all perished UA soldiers. Up to two weeks ago, Russia has returned 25,306 bodies of Ukrainian soldiers since 2022.


ChatGPT, after a minute of thinking, tells me that Ukraine returned 470 Russian perished troops in the same period (it might be wrong, but I have no interest in looking further).
 

rsemmes

Active Member
And not only in Dobropillia...

I don't know if they are consolidating, but they are still infiltrating... (Ivashine)
This one is a lot more discreet...

The AI says that Ukraine controls 80% of Stepnogirsk... (Are those tall buildings in the centre still standing?)
I am not quite sure about those metrics.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
Obviously, I misread this...

Ukraine wants a prototype for a European anti-ballistic system codenamed Freyja to be ready within the first half of next year
...an international steering committee tasked with estimating the research and development costs was due to convene for the first time soon.

Zelenski wants... hopes, and expects... Maybe in full production in 2030?
 

KipPotapych

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Obviously, I misread this...

Ukraine wants a prototype for a European anti-ballistic system codenamed Freyja to be ready within the first half of next year
It’s a ruse.


Tomorrow will be 40 days since

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39 days after hitting civilian transport and infrastructure, aimed at compelling the aggressor to end the war:

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Reads like quite a bit of desperation in that message.


The bomb at Moscow’s restaurant is a straight up act of terrorism, so far 3 killed (the woman carrying the bomb, reportedly likely without knowing so, a security guy, and a guest) and 21 injured. Lemmings are celebrating the death of a Russian general of the highest order (most likely from another episode of things that did not happen). All signs point to the most obvious (yet early) conclusion.

Lemming leaders are completely ecstatic:

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Celebrates that 17 of 21 of injured “fascists” are hospitalized in critical condition (according to him). Then posts some partial list of casualties:

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Of ten alleged victims posted, 7 are women, 3 are men 30 and under (likely security personnel); 6 of 10 are 30 or under. Link to the creature’s thread: Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) on X

Saw some who I thought were reasonable people also being overwhelmed at the idea of the RU general being the target. Funny enough, the same people commenting on how shitty of a general he is, sometimes in the next sentence.

The silence from the righteous supporters, of course, is going to be… well, no different from the usual programming.

Will also wait for a false-flag theory to come in the next few days.
 

rsemmes

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Talking about terror...

“The socio-psychological impact on society is greater (Wildberries) than that of an oil refinery,” Brovdi said.

"Funny" enough, the article goes under: ‘This is where democracy beats totalitarianism’. I guess he (Luke Harding being British) could mention Hamburg and Dresden too. Committing evil acts to prove that the enemy is evil.
Once a recipient of western assistance... So, Ukraine gets nothing now.
The world’s leading unmanned systems power... Really?
To push out the nearly 1 million Russian residents or “colonisers” who settled on the peninsula after Putin’s 2014 takeover... Is he talking about the "Plantation" in NI?

Cognitive Dissonance, if my mind could work like that, my life would be easier.
 

vikingatespam

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Unpopular (?) opinion: Ukraine strikes any and all Russian trucks without any differentiation and claims them to be something else, while in reality absolute majority of these are purely civilian logistics. It follows that there is little to no effect at the frontline now or will be in the future.

In that ^ particular case, it looks nothing like a fuel burn. Probably because it isn’t.
The video looks like a fuel truck got hit, leaking fires from the back of the truck. Black smoke indicates a non-ideal combustion, probably due to a high fuel: air mixture (soot generation). Why do you think this isnt a fuel truck ?
 

Redshift

Active Member
Talking about terror...

“The socio-psychological impact on society is greater (Wildberries) than that of an oil refinery,” Brovdi said.

"Funny" enough, the article goes under: ‘This is where democracy beats totalitarianism’. I guess he (Luke Harding being British) could mention Hamburg and Dresden too. Committing evil acts to prove that the enemy is evil.
Once a recipient of western assistance... So, Ukraine gets nothing now.
The world’s leading unmanned systems power... Really?
To push out the nearly 1 million Russian residents or “colonisers” who settled on the peninsula after Putin’s 2014 takeover... Is he talking about the "Plantation" in NI?

Cognitive Dissonance, if my mind could work like that, my life would be easier.
Yes but what about the great replacement of the Picts by other Celts?
 

Feanor

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I'll try to do another update soon, the situation in north-eastern Kharkov region is deteriorating fast. It appears the entire front line from the Chugunovka area all the way to the Severskiy Donets river is crumbling. Russian forces are in Beliy Kolodets, Zemlyanoy Yar, and have penetrated to the Plotva river. Russia's grey zone infiltrations around the Ivanovka-Zakharovka area are aiming to merge with Russian forces pushing out of Ustinovka. The situation is a real crisis for Ukraine, and it's a bit of a catch-22. If Ukraine doesn't react, the situation will continue to deteriorate, and Ukraine may lose even more ground, with Russian forces pushing southward towards Velikiy Burluk, eventually threatening Ukrainian positions north-west of Kupyansk. On the other hand this area contains nothing particularly important, and rushing forces here could compromise the situation in other areas. It remains to be seen how Ukraine handles this, and this area might just be de-prioritized compared to the Donbas where things aren't going well either, be it around Konstantinovka-Druzhkovka, east of Slavyansk, or in the Dobropol'ye area.
 

KipPotapych

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Beside the fact that there are no legal obligations of any kind:

- Genocide Convention does not apply, clearly;
- Budapest Memorandum had no legal obligations to intervene (what has been done is way and beyond what any reasonable person should expect anyways);
- UN Charter? Common, let’s get serious.

But, what is it exactly “NATO nations” can do to intervene and “implement a humanitarian mission”? A serious questions. Any ideas are welcome because it is most certainly (very) slim pickings. It appears that the best idea is expressed by Zelensky (bolding is mine):

[…]Our FREYJA can become a shared European system providing integrated protection. FREYJA will be quick to produce and battle-tested. Ukraine is capable of manufacturing both the missile itself and the launcher. The decisive factor is cooperation with those European countries and companies that have the radars, sensors, and everything else required for an effective anti-ballistic system.[…]

Here is the reality though: there are basically four nations that have their own developed anti-ballistic capabilities in this world. One is busy breaking the UN charter, among other things, in another part of the world, expending these very capabilities at an enormous rate. The other is China whose capabilities have not been proven in real-life applications and “does not apply”. The third is Israel that is pretty much in “does not apply” category too. Moreover, Israel’s case:

In 2023, the late Republican senator Lindsey Graham led an effort to protect Ukrainian civilians from Russian attacks by supporting the transfer of Iron Dome air defense batteries from the United States to Ukraine. But he encountered an obstacle: Benjamin Netanyahu.

The Israeli prime minister vetoed the transfer by invoking the terms of a joint-production agreement that gives Israel final say over the system’s use even though the missile batteries in question were paid for by the U.S. government.


From the Washington Post, via the archive: https://archive.is/L7dYf. On this note, quite a bit of outrage was expressed (aside from “how dare you!?” - insert Greta gif) about the US taxpayers’ funds that paid for it and Israel’s ability to veto or have a say at all. This is really weird stuff, in my opinion, but it is self-explanatory and for another thread (if any). Israel’s perspective is simple (relations with Russia aside): see my point about needing a group of leading mental health professionals when considering any serious tech (or, in this case, a sophisticated product) transfer to Ukraine. And Israel is 100% correct to deny such request, of course. Besides the point, this would have limited or no use to Ukraine anyway since there aren’t many (any?) interceptors for this system sitting around in the United States. Good enough for headlines though.

So the fourth and last country with proven capabilities in the field is the warring party on the other end of the conflict, the one that is causing the damage and suffering that the person cited above is “pleading” for help against.

Yeah, sure, there is also India… probably “not very effective” and “does not apply” either way.

So those “that have the radars, sensors, and everything else required for an effective anti-ballistic system” that Ukraine supposedly partnered with simply do not exist. Chances are they won’t exist by the end of 2026 or beginning (or the end) of 2027 either. I briefly explained the reasons for that previously.

Someone mentioned Machiavelli’s Prince not long ago (I would, personally, lean to Hobbes, even Schmitt, but Prince certainly works too), but there is also quite a bit of Tocqueville has been involved from the very beginning (ie compassion as a standard to express moral superiority, we all must care, etc). Another example:

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There is got to be a good “what about” here I can use… I still do not follow the thought process behind the UA attacks on Wildberries, Sea of Azov, civilian transport and such, Kazakh (read American) oil assets, etc. Ukraine does not have escalation dominance here. There is nothing Ukraine can do that Russia cannot replicate and then some. The person cited at the top of this post mentions “including nuclear” in brackets, referring to infrastructure and protecting. What are they referring to? This (?):

The chief engineer at the Russian-controlled Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant has been killed by a Ukrainian drone near the station, the head of Russia's state nuclear corporation Rosatom said ‌on Wednesday.

Alexei Likhachev said in a statement that a Ukrainian drone had struck a service car between the plant's site and the town of Enerhodar, killing the engineer, Alexander Yakovlev, and the driver.[…]

Rafael Grossi, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, condemned the incident, while making no specific mention of Ukraine or Russia.

Grossi said it "represents an unacceptable attack on the plant and its management, seriously threatening nuclear safety."


From Reuters, July 15: https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...gineer-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-2026-07-15/

So much nonsense. Saw today an article by some Ukrainian voices asking for

[…]The Economist to provide Ukrainian authors with equivalent space—not in the letters to the editor section, but in a format proportionate to that given to Melnichenko. This is not a request for a favor. It is a demand for editorial consistency.

Imagine, UA asking for an equivalent space! Laughing. And the choice of avenue to express themselves was the National Interest too (laughing again): Why Did ‘The Economist’ Platform a Russian Oligarch?. This is a response to the Economist article, by the way, by Melnichenko that, I think, @personaldesas cited here not that long ago. I guess the authors may have missed all the space that had been provided to the “Ukrainian authors” the past few years, filled with propaganda and nonsense that should be way beyond any reasonable person’s comfort level. But hey, I guess, Tocqueville keeps knocking.


Another new and current trend seems to be the provision of Starlink in Russia in order to destroy the Russian ballistic missile launchers (just an example, but there are couple of article I want to cite and talk about… some other time):

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There must be some new/next wunderwaffe I have not heard off before that is yet to be introduced because the Starlink has been fully functional above Crimea for years and Russia still launches Iskander-Ms, as well as other missiles, from the peninsula. Crimea that is more open and visible, with limited resources, still launches ballistic missiles to Ukraine. If they think they will do better in Kursk, Bryansk, etc with these… Good luck and godspeed, as the saying goes.

I also wonder if the thought of Russia having many more launchers than the missiles they can launch had ever bothered anyone when contemplating this strategy. Most recent reported (by Ukrainians) production says 66 Iskanders per month, or 2.2 missiles per day. The most ballistic Iskanders sent to Ukraine in one raid was 30-some, I believe (and the number is a rarity), which would require 15 launchers, but the attack didn’t last minutes, so there are loaders involved as well. Anyway, something tells me that launchers are not the bottleneck here. But not to worry!

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All is going to be well soon enough… I want to talk about domination in the Black Sea as well, but this is for another time, perhaps.
 

KipPotapych

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The video looks like a fuel truck got hit, leaking fires from the back of the truck. Black smoke indicates a non-ideal combustion, probably due to a high fuel: air mixture (soot generation). Why do you think this isnt a fuel truck ?
Maybe you are right, but that does not look like a fuel truck to me. Raw oil or bitumen, perhaps; but highly unlikely (in fact, it would be silly). I do not think there is any evidence that suggests it is a (disguised!) fuel truck. On the subject:


Not sure if you saw, but before the strikes on Wildberries warehouses, Ukrainians posted (sometime in June?) videos of strikes on the company’s trucks (semis) calling it Russian logistics. Those looked no different from what is shown in the video in question.

Of course, I cannot prove or disprove anything. That’s the nature of the game though, by design. Ask yourself this, however: if simply shown the video without the “this is a disguised fuel truck”commentary, would your first thought be a fuel truck?
 

KipPotapych

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I'll try to do another update soon, the situation in north-eastern Kharkov region is deteriorating fast. It appears the entire front line from the Chugunovka area all the way to the Severskiy Donets river is crumbling. Russian forces are in Beliy Kolodets, Zemlyanoy Yar, and have penetrated to the Plotva river. Russia's grey zone infiltrations around the Ivanovka-Zakharovka area are aiming to merge with Russian forces pushing out of Ustinovka. The situation is a real crisis for Ukraine, and it's a bit of a catch-22. If Ukraine doesn't react, the situation will continue to deteriorate, and Ukraine may lose even more ground, with Russian forces pushing southward towards Velikiy Burluk, eventually threatening Ukrainian positions north-west of Kupyansk. On the other hand this area contains nothing particularly important, and rushing forces here could compromise the situation in other areas. It remains to be seen how Ukraine handles this, and this area might just be de-prioritized compared to the Donbas where things aren't going well either, be it around Konstantinovka-Druzhkovka, east of Slavyansk, or in the Dobropol'ye area.
While the Russian advances are pretty stale nowadays, does it seem like there are some pressure points building up that will pop and we will go back to the part of the circle where “the Russians are rapidly advancing and Ukrainian lines are collapsing”?

How relevant and sustainable are the infiltrations all over the place? How far can a grey zone be painted? Something has got to give, no?
 

personaldesas

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Imagine, UA asking for an equivalent space! Laughing. And the choice of avenue to express themselves was the National Interest too (laughing again): Why Did ‘The Economist’ Platform a Russian Oligarch?. This is a response to the Economist article, by the way, by Melnichenko that, I think, @personaldesas cited here not that long ago.
Think we agree on the platforming bit, actually. The whole idea assumes readers can't be trusted to read something and judge it themselves. Melnichenko's a sanctioned oligarch, fine. Read him sceptically then. Don't print him and you learn nothing.

I don't read "The National Interest" and can't tell if it's a serious shop or partisan filler, so I'm not going to burn an evening finding out on spec. If anyone here rates them, say so and I'll have a look.

I guess the authors may have missed all the space that had been provided to the “Ukrainian authors” the past few years, filled with propaganda and nonsense that should be way beyond any reasonable person’s comfort level. But hey, I guess, Tocqueville keeps knocking.
"Propaganda" is doing a lot of work there. Loads of those Ukrainian op-eds are ones I'd argue with. That's not the same thing.
 

personaldesas

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While the Russian advances are pretty stale nowadays, does it seem like there are some pressure points building up that will pop and we will go back to the part of the circle where “the Russians are rapidly advancing and Ukrainian lines are collapsing”?

How relevant and sustainable are the infiltrations all over the place? How far can a grey zone be painted? Something has got to give, no?

If BBG are right, this summer was the least successful for Russias advance.

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A breakthrough would obviously change all that, but I remain skeptical at this point.

If I were Kyiv I'd worry much more about air defence instead. Looks like ukraine is almost unable to down any rockets at this point.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
Cognitive Dissonance

Once again we wake up to the news of horrible atrocities by Russia through its aerial attacks on Ukraine. Russia must pay for the destruction it has caused.” U. von der Leyen.
-But not about 3 children in Crimea.
Ukraine’s foreign minister Andrii Sybiha responded to the latest overnight attacks on Kyiv, saying that “Russian strikes take no summer vacation.”
-But not about children on summer vacation.
"Iryna Chechotkina, co-founder of leading online retailer Rozetka, said she watched overnight as the work of her entire life went ⁠up in flames after strikes by three ballistic missiles."
-But not about Wildberries.

Targets of those missiles according to Google AI, but "unknown" (where is Alesia!) to newspapers:
The Kyiv Armoured Plant, the Kyiv-1 Electronics Assembly Plant, the Kyiv-25 Industrial Facility, massive storage hubs on the outskirts of Kyiv, chemical/industrial storage (and an ammonia leak), railway station and a major oil depot in Boryspil, Ukrrichflot Kyiv Maintenance Base and heavily scarred power transmission lines, sub-stations, and transformers.
Kimi disagrees (do not appear in available reporting) with some of the targets.
I wasn't able to read anything (July) about Chernomosk, but that was an Ukrainian (vegetable) oil terminal burning and closed down. Ukraine does not export petroleum, but that terminal, obviously, does not affect Ukrainian economy at all.
 

vikingatespam

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Maybe you are right, but that does not look like a fuel truck to me. Raw oil or bitumen, perhaps; but highly unlikely (in fact, it would be silly). I do not think there is any evidence that suggests it is a (disguised!) fuel truck. On the subject:


Not sure if you saw, but before the strikes on Wildberries warehouses, Ukrainians posted (sometime in June?) videos of strikes on the company’s trucks (semis) calling it Russian logistics. Those looked no different from what is shown in the video in question.

Of course, I cannot prove or disprove anything. That’s the nature of the game though, by design. Ask yourself this, however: if simply shown the video without the “this is a disguised fuel truck”commentary, would your first thought be a fuel truck?
In the original video, there is leaking burning liquid coming from the truck. I struggle to think of anything that would be run in convoys, in large trucks, that isnt gas/deisel.

Disguised fuel trucks have been noted in the last few years, although typically in the context of being closer to the front.
 

Vanquish

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This article is a long read but has some interesting information. It is an interview with Iryna Terekh the CEO of Ukraine's Fire Point. She does discus project Freya and it's challenges. I'm not sure if Ukraine will be able to overcome them but I guess necessity is the mother of invention so it may become possible.
 

Feanor

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While the Russian advances are pretty stale nowadays, does it seem like there are some pressure points building up that will pop and we will go back to the part of the circle where “the Russians are rapidly advancing and Ukrainian lines are collapsing”?

How relevant and sustainable are the infiltrations all over the place? How far can a grey zone be painted? Something has got to give, no?
That's what I'm thinking. I know Ukraine had a bad recruiting situation last year (and in 2024 too) but this year they seem to have less of an issue there. In the past when Ukraine ran these counter-attacks, they frequently involved burning through built-up resources, making them time-bound. Russia's effort seems to be more of a sustained effort. And in general Russia tends to push har sand slow through the summer and exploit gains in the fall-winter. So overall the pattern still holds. Russia had a notably slower start this year, it might mean substantially lower end of year gains. For example, it looked like Slavyansk and Kramatorsk would fall this year, but now that's far less likely. The battles for both cities are still probably going to start this year, but it might drag out for quite some time. A lot will depend on the fighting around Druzhkovka, and Krasniy Liman. Also territory isn't always tied to cities. For example the grey zone in Eastern Zaporozhye keeps growing. What happens if Ukraine loses the ability to feed troops into that fight? It could turn into substantial Russian territorial gains. Same in north-eastern Kharkov region. No towns would change hands, but Russia could net a couple thousand square kms in those areas combined in theory bringing total gains more in line with past years. It wouldn't substantially alter the big picture while maintaining the trend. A lot depends on the next 2 months.
 
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