The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

KipPotapych

Well-Known Member
Won't matter if thats true or not, a perfectly good opportunity for some propaganda wont go to waste in social media.
I love how these posts start with “not to be a conspiracy theorist”… And none other than the usual suspects (both of those):

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Will update this post if I run into some juicy stuff.

It was Israelies:

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A nuclear scientists with over half a million subscribers (How rare is that?! Must be a maga or some such):

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If by perfectly healthy he means looking old enough to be Trump’s father, then yeah, sure.

Not without the other usual suspects, of course:

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Redshift

Active Member
"And it means treating negotiations not as a barter of land for security guarantees but as the foundation for stable—if hostile—relations between Russia and Ukraine and, eventually, Russia and NATO."
Even if a lot of people are a lot happier ignoring reality, usually from a high horse.

"It comprises several layers: the tragedy of peoples who lived for centuries within a shared historical space; a conflict between Russia and the West—a dispute over territory, alliances, historical memory and the future of the world order."
Obviously not, it's only Putin creating an empire.
"Politicians operate through will."
Wrong again, only Putin; Trump is completely different.
"I try to describe the world as a physicist: as it actually is, not as one might wish it to be."
Could he be more wrong than that?
"But Ukrainian security built on the permanent negation of Russia’s sovereign agency is equally unstable."
Wrong once more... Russia has to do what Ukraine says and, specially, what we tell Russia to do.
"Russia has defined its vital interests, possesses the material base to defend them and bears the consequences of its own decisions."
But, Russia is wrong, every other country is irrelevant. The Universe exists only to prove that Russia is wrong.
"A country stripped of strategic autonomy will eventually accept the rules of those who stripped it."
An honest an honorable principle.
"When one side concludes that the other is bluffing or simply incapable of carrying through, it stops seeking a solution at the table. This is not a justification for any particular use of force. It is a description of how diplomatic failure actually occurs: not through bad faith alone, but through the collapse of credibility on both sides. Understanding this mechanism is not the same as endorsing its consequences."
If we, the west, are winning, there is no point in telling Ukraine to negotiate.
"The war in Ukraine is, in Russian eyes, a war against the West as a whole, fought with Western money, weapons and technology. That perception shapes every decision Moscow makes."
How could Russia believe that!
"The roots of the conflict lie partly in a structural imbalance that persisted in Europe after the cold war: Moscow’s security concerns were heard but never seriously addressed."
No, it's Russia's fault. Nothing that we did has anything to do Putin's decisions. We are right, Russia is wrong, there is no other point.
"Its publicly stated terms have narrowed to three: recognition of the territories Russia now claims under its constitution; legal protections for Russian-speaking populations; and a formal commitment to Ukrainian neutrality."
Well, and the Russian Empire, of course.
"In practice, the war has become an instrument of prolonged pressure on Moscow. What security order should ultimately exist in Europe, and what place does Russia hold within it? This suits the West: the heaviest human and economic costs fall on Ukraine and Russia."
How do you dare! What is the point of asking difficult questions when it is obviously working? (Like in Iran.)
"A new European security order in which Russia is a participant rather than a managed object. An economically and technologically superior coalition sustaining an adversary’s army while limiting its own direct involvement will eventually give way to something else. The question is not whether that transition comes, but when and on what terms."
Difficult questions again?
"Any strategy that treats nuclear escalation as a manageable extension of conventional pressure rests on a false assumption: that a complex system can be pushed to the edge and stopped precisely where it is politically convenient."
But why can't we keep pushing the system?
"Not because globalisation did not exist but because it was never neutral. Sanctions showed this plainly. They were written by some, in the interests of some, and can be revised for others by political decision. A fragmented world in which each bloc builds its own rules."
Rules against Russia. (But only because Russia is wrong.)
"The choice for external players is not between a friendly Russia and a hostile one. It is between a Russia whose behaviour is predictable and one whose trajectory is unknown."
Wait, the point is that Russia is wrong, that has nothing to do with it.

Once you are in a high horse in your own fairytale... Why would you deign to look down to reality?
You should know, your horse is the highest horse ever!
 

rsemmes

Active Member
Are they often used by infantry like this?
Not "like that".
The same shoulder arrangements was used for single 20mm aboard ships; here, you have 4 barrels. A screen can be seen in front of the gunner, and, at the end of the video, you see some optics to the left of the barrels.
Another improvised anti-drone that needs a stronger mounting; a lot stronger. (Educated guess.)
 

rsemmes

Active Member
As KipPotapych was pointing out...

"Incidents such as a blockade of Ukrainian trucks by Polish lorry drivers in late 2023 hinted at a more complicated relationship beneath the surface."
Should Poland and Ukraine forget History or should Russia?

La France et l'Ukraine ont conclu, lundi 13 juillet, une "feuille de route" prévoyant l'acquisition par Kiev de 16 avions de combat Rafale et leurs armements, "dont les premiers doivent voler dans les airs ukrainiens dès 2028-2029", a annoncé le président Emmanuel Macron.
L'Ukraine compte acquérir 16 avions Rafale et des batteries antiaériennes SAMP/T NG, annonce Emmanuel Macron
Ukraine will not only get Grippen but also Rafale (since 17/11/25) , in 2028-29. Well, it's getting a roadmap, like for the EU...

BTW...
Anyone has some Patriots around? Zelenski is begging for 300.
 

Feanor

Super Moderator
Staff member
As KipPotapych was pointing out...

"Incidents such as a blockade of Ukrainian trucks by Polish lorry drivers in late 2023 hinted at a more complicated relationship beneath the surface."
Should Poland and Ukraine forget History or should Russia?
It reminds me of the spat between Ukraine and Hungary back in 2016 when Ukraine passed their discriminatory laws about education and language. The intended target was obviously Russian in schools but Hungarian schools in south-western Ukraine were also impacted. Back then Ukraine stubbornly refused to budget on the issue until after Poroshenko left office when under Zelensky Ukraine finally adjusted the laws to only discriminate against Russian.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
It reminds me of the spat between Ukraine and Hungary back in 2016 when Ukraine passed their discriminatory laws about education and language. The intended target was obviously Russian in schools but Hungarian schools in south-western Ukraine were also impacted. Back then Ukraine stubbornly refused to budget on the issue until after Poroshenko left office when under Zelensky Ukraine finally adjusted the laws to only discriminate against Russian.
Reminds me about the Quebec government's anti-English stance.
 

personaldesas

Active Member
Reminds me about the Quebec government's anti-English stance.
I mean an argument can be made for those kind of policies. Look at Catalonia, and how it’s struggling to keep the traditional language of their land alive. Especially in the cities. If this is something you value, you’ll need policy to counteract.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
I mean an argument can be made for those kind of policies. Look at Catalonia, and how it’s struggling to keep the traditional language of their land alive. Especially in the cities. If this is something you value, you’ll need policy to counteract.
Going a bit off topic...

"Struggling"? There were protests from civil servants because it was going to be mandatory, that is more "imposing" than "struggling".
 

personaldesas

Active Member
Basically never. It was likely taken from a retired gunship and handed not to the infantry but to what is clearly a drone defense team.
And I reckon the rate of fire of these guns makes it worth it taking them off gunships to shoot down drones? Is that an approach pursued at any scale?

Going a bit off topic...

"Struggling"? There were protests from civil servants because it was going to be mandatory, that is more "imposing" than "struggling".
Without going to the substance, since it's indeed off-topic. I spent years there, including through the height of the tensions. I speak Spanish and I speak Catalan, I don't hold much of a strong opinion myself, it's a complicated topic, and there are many legitimate positions on this conflict, in both directions. But you clearly don't know what you're talking about here, and it shows. Which is useful: seeing it confirmed on a topic I know well tells me how much weight to give your confidence on the topics I don't.

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Back on topic, so this isn't a pure derail:


What's the current read on the Crimea interdiction campaign? Is it plausibly a lever with outsized effects, or just another would-be game changer Russia absorbs and routes around?

Also a premise check: I get the standard narrative of Crimea as the big staging area, but with Russia holding the land corridor and the Sea of Azov, how much of that still holds? If the southern front runs on Rostov-Mariupol-Melitopol logistics anyway, Crimea's remaining value seems to be mostly airfields, the AD umbrella, and basing, which would change what a fuel blockade can actually buy.
 
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rsemmes

Active Member
Without going to the substance, since it's indeed off-topic. I spent years there, including through the height of the tensions. I speak Spanish and I speak Catalan, I don't hold much of a strong opinion myself, it's a complicated topic, and there are many legitimate positions on this conflict, in both directions. But you clearly don't know what you're talking about here, and it shows. Which is useful: seeing it confirmed on a topic I know well tells me how much weight to give your confidence on the topics I don't.
El Tribunal Superior de Justicia de Cataluña (TSJC) ha anulado parte del protocolo de usos lingüísticos en el sector público de Cataluña, entre ellos los artículos que fijaban el catalán como lengua de comunicación entre el personal y que todas las conversaciones se tenían que iniciar en este idioma.
True, I don't know what I am talking about, I do remember what I am talking about.
"Struggling" is way off the mark.
 

rsemmes

Active Member
Great!
Ukraine will produce not only Patriots but also Freyas, all by the end of the year. Thousands of them, probably.

Fire Point's co-owner Denys Shtilierman told Reuters in April that it was in talks with unnamed European companies to launch a new air defence system capable of downing supersonic ballistic missiles by the end of next year, creating a low-cost alternative to the U.S.-made Patriot.
https://www.reuters.com/business/ae...listic-missile-air-defence-system-2026-06-03/

"Zelenskyy has promoted its domestically developed Freyja interceptor programme as a potential “European model”. Victory, again.
 
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