The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

Feanor

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Update. Nov 6th-7th

Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa.

Apparently a failed Ukrainian attack in Kherson region. Warning footage of corpses.


Russia apparently destroyed cell towers in Kherson while retreating.


Zaporozhye-Dnepropetrovsk.


Russia has begun forming a volunteer btln in Zaporozhye. Unlike the entire bde announced in Kherson, that never materialized, a btln is more realistic. Even so Russia had to open recruitment to Russian volunteers. The btln is named after Sudoplatov.


Russian mobilized soldiers in Energodar.


The North.

Russia has reportedly damaged the rail line from Sumy to Konotop. It's unclear how serious the damage is.


Oskol Front.

Russian Shturm-S firing near Svatovo. Allegedly this was a counter-attack by Ukraine foiled by Russian ATGMs.


Allegedly a Ukrainian T-64 taken out near Kremennaya by Russian recon.


Another destroyed Bushmaster, allegedly on the Kupyansk axis. Not sure if we've seen this one before.


Ukrainian forces have taken Russian POWs near Svatovo.


LDNR Front.

The last Ukrainian positions on the outskirts of the Donetsk airport have reportedly fallen to a DNR offensive. If true this is part of the continuing trend of DNR pushes around Donetsk itself.


Ukrainian Strela-10 destroyed by a Russian Lancet strike near Artemovsk Bakhmut. I believe this is one we've seen earlier.


Allegedly Wagner using loitering munitions to take out a Krab SP Howtizer.


Kaskad btln, DNR Troops of Interior, using loitering munitions to take out two M777s. Note this is part of a continuing trend where relatively modern equipment is being transferred to DNR forces, in my opinion long overdue.


More footage of that Ukrainian column that got hit, with the M113, BMP-3, and XA-180, Donetsk region.


A pair of Russian T-72s firing on a Ukrainian strong point near Ugledar. This is likely an expanded version of the same footage we've seen earlier.


Some footage from Opytnoe, a village currently contested by Wagner fighters and Ukrainian forces, south of Bakhmut. According to this video, the village is now primarily in Russian hands.


Russian Wagner fighters have reportedly entered Belogorovka. The town was the site of heavy fighting, and ultimately fell under Russian control after the fall of Lisichansk. The Ukrainian counter-attack past Krasniy Liman saw Ukrainian troops retaking the village. Now it appears Russian forces in it again, though it's not clear if the village has fallen.


DNR T-64BVs doing night fires directed by UAVs with thermals. Note the tanks themselves don't have thermals.


Ukrainian infantry rotating out of Artemovsk/Bakhmut report heavy firefights on the outskirts.


Shelling of Donetsk continues. One of the targets hit is a railroad control building.


Russia.

Fuel storage in Belgorod region burns, likely a Ukrainian strike, though confirmation is lacking.


We have reports of Ukrainian strikes hitting a power substation near the town of Grayvoron, Belgorod region, leaving parts of the town without power.


Russia allegedly downed a Ukrainian UAV near Sevastopol'.


A BTR-82A column in Simferopol'. This is one of the easiest to mass produce vehicles for Russia.


A bridge section is heading to the Crimean bridge for repairs.


Misc.

Ukrainian Buk getting hit by a Russian loitering munition.


Ukrainian MaxxPro MRAP getting hit, possibly Pavlovka area.


Russian D-1 howitzers in action in Ukraine.


Another destroyed Ukrainian Kozak armored car, location and context unclear.


A destroyed Mastiff MRAP, hit by something cumulative.


A look at Russian Su-35S and Su-30SM taking off with the now typical mix of A2A and A2G munitions, operating over Ukraine.


A Russian BRDM-2MS has shown up in Ukraine with the 83rd VDV Bde. Note this is a BRDM-2 upgrade that was primarily export oriented, and is now being used as part of the mobilization effort.


Russian T-90M in Ukraine.


A Ukrainian M113 towing a M58 MICLIC mineclearing system.


Another Ukrainian S-60 toting guntruck.


A large Ukrainian troop train carrying a hodge podge of T-64BVs, BTR-60s, BMP-1s, BRDM-2s, MT-LBs, howitzers, and many many trucks.


Confirmation of Ukrainian TOW missiles near the front line.


Information has emerged that a Russian airplane sank the Slavyansk, (formerly the WPB-1321 Cushing of the US Coast Guard). Reportedly 11/16 crew are MIA. It reportedly sank near the Kinburn peninsula.


NATO/EU.

NASAMS and Aspide SAMs have reportedly arrived in Ukraine. Of course the NASAMS was announced before.

 

ngatimozart

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Russia is up to old tricks again claiming that Ukraine intends to invade the Belgorod Oblast, ignoring the fact that Ukraine isn't in a position to mount any possible invasion of Russia. This latest false flag OP is probably an attempt to increase the public support for the war. Prigozhin is active in spreading this misinformation because he has Wagner building a defensive line there, which the local authorities put a stop too. It appears that he is attempting to increase his power and control within the oblast and other border regions.

The Russians are still accusing the Ukrainians of shelling the Zaporizhzia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP). This is most likely a typical Russian false flag operation and the Russians offer no evidence to support their claims. It is suggested that Putin is using this to play on international fears of a nuclear accident. It is my opinion that since Putin can't use nukes, that he will rig a dirty bomb at ZNP causing a nuclear disaster that will make the 1987 Chernobyl disaster look like a damp squib. That gives him plausible deniability although, IMHO, it wouldn't be that plausible, considering his nuclear threats so far. I even think Xi Jinping would have problems swallowing that one.

There are also reports that high level Russian and Ukrainian collaborator officials are evacuating from Crimea. It appears that the rats are starting to leave the ship.


This is a report on offensive manoeuvre warfare lessons so far from the Russo Ukraine War. The tank isn't dead yet by a long shot.


This an autopsy report on Iranian UAVs that have been downed over Ukraine. The report states that there is clear evidence that the UAVs were manufactured in Iran.


A report on Chechnya's security forces and where they fit in the Russian ORB. It's quite enlightening.

Latest UK MOD intelligence update.

An interesting commentary on the political dynamic within Russia and where it is heading. I have put it here because it has a bearing on this war. A press call for the reintroduction of SMERSH. Next thing that paper will be calling for the FSB to be renamed NKVD and given the same powers and fear that it had.
 
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OPSSG

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1. "What blunted the Russians north of Kyiv was two brigades of artillery firing all their barrels every day," says Watling.

2. Watling: Ukr entered war with 1,178 barrel artillery pieces, 1,680 MLRS, 60 divisions of air defences & 900 tanks—more air defence and artillery systems "than vast majority of European NATO combined".

3. Turkish drones did not save Ukraine. TB2s worked for three days because Russian air defences were told to assume anything in air was friendly. "By day 10 they were ... denied in most areas" says Watling.
 
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Feanor

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2. Watling: Ukr entered war with 1,178 barrel artillery pieces, 1,680 MLRS, 60 divisions of air defences & 900 tanks—more air defence and artillery systems "than vast majority of European NATO combined".
Not to nitpick but not 60 divisions. 60 дивизиона. Not to be confused with дивизия. The first is an artillery btln, the second is a division. Ukraine definitely didn't have 60 divisions of air defenses. 60 btlns is 20 rgts, which is still a ton.
 

Feanor

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Update. Nov 8th-10th

Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa.

Russian VDV firing at something, Kherson region.


Russian Orion-S strikes in Kherson region.


Ukrainian mechanized bridge getting hit, Kherson region, allegedly Krasnopol'.


Another destroyed Kipri MRAP, Kherson region.


Ukrainian air defense firing over Nikolaev.


Ukrainian troops have entered villages Bruskinskoe and Stanislav villages, Kherson region, and the town of Snegirevka.


Russian troops withdrawing from Kherson region.


Pantsyr-S1 covering the retreat of Russian forces.


Retreating Russian forces have abandoned a Tayfun MRAP, and other vehicles in Kherson region.


Allegedly a Ukrainian T-72B3 towing a captured T-90A. Though this isn't obvious.


Russian security forces detaining alleged Ukrainian infiltrators, though if they really are hostile then local resistance is far likelier.


One of Russia's deputy heads of Kherson region died in allegedly a car accident, though theories abound about Ukrainian infiltrators or Russian cleaning house. He allegedly collided with a truck.


Russia is blowing bridges in Kherson region, including Snegirevka, Tyaginskiy, Novokairy, and the Dar'evskiy bridge across the Ingulets.


Russian fortification work on the left shore of the Dnepr.


Russian troops on the left shore of the Dnepr, Kherson region, presumably moving towards new defensive positions.


Zaporozhye-Dnepropetrovsk.

Russian strikes landing in Dnepropetrovsk.


Russia hit allegedly a Ukrainian military vehicle repair facility in Zaporozhye area.


Russian MBTs, Zaporozhye. We have a mix of T-72B3, T-72B mod'89, and T-72B.


Russian repair unit in Zaporozhye, operating the scarce BREM-L. We also see some BMP-3s with additional armor kits.


Oskol Front.

Russian BM-27 fires on alleged Ukrainian positions near Kupyansk.


The strike on the T-64BM near Kremennaya, this is the tank we saw destroyed there earlier.


A destroyed T-72 with a minetrawl, allegedly Ukrainian, Kharkov region.


LDNR Front.

Russian loitering munitions strike a bucket of Ukrainian vehicles near Ugledar. This is part of a mass-deployment of loitering munitions after Russian troops encountered challenges in Pavlovka. We have 2 BMP-2s, 1 T-64, 1 T-72, two M-777s, one BTR, and one Grad.


MaxxPro getting hit somewhere near Pavlovka, presumably by artillery. It seems to me that Russian strikes were aimed at striking either Ukrainian artillery around Pavlovka (the Caesar got hit there) or vehicles moving towards Pavlovka.


Allegedly a Ukrainian Krab getting hit by a loitering munition near Bogoyavlenka, Donetsk region.


Russian loitering munition launched by Wagner fighters strikes a Krab. This is probably near Artemovsk/Bakhmut.


Russian troops in action, Pavlovka. Might be old footage, might be fighting on the outskirts. Russian forces currently control the village.


Russian forces raising the flag at Pavlovka.


Wagner fighters inside Belogorovka. The village remains disputed.


Yasinovataya, a substation got hit, there are reports of power outages in the town.


Battle damage in Artemovsk/Bakhmut.


Battle damage in Gorlovka.


DNR Minister of the Interior shows up in Pavlovka.


Reportedly DNR forces have taken delivery of a Buk-M3. Personally I don't buy it. A Russian Buk-M3 deployment makes sense, especially in light of recent HIMARS strikes against fuel storage, but handing it over to the locals doesn't.


The BMPT has been spotted in Ukraine again, near Donetsk, apparently 7 of them. They have fallen off the radar for a while, last time they were being used as part of the push on Severodonetsk-Lisichansk. This might be part of the recent offensive activity around Donetsk.


Russia.

Russian mobilized personnel in Orel are complaining about the poor quality of the equipment they've been issued, including knives, and backpacks.


Russia is digging trenches in Crimea near Chongar and Artemovsk.


The first replacement flight of the Crimean bridge has been installed, the second is planned for Nov. 11th.


Misc.

Russian T-72B3 taking out a Ukrainian T-72M1. Note, the M1 has drastically inferior armor.


Russian Ka-52 taking out Ukrainian vehicles. Note we have the continuing pattern where the only ATGM use we see is from Ka-52s, whereas the Mi-24s and 28s are just using rocket pods.


Allegedly a Russian column getting hit, an UR-77 goes off. Location and context unclear.


Russian BMDs getting hit by Ukrainian artillery, possibly Excalibur. Location and context unclear.


A destroyed Ukrainian Bars-8MMK SP mortar. Location and context unclear.


A very rare Russian Korsar UCAV downed in Ukraine. Serial production of the type was never even announced so this might be a prototype.

 

STURM

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Turkish drones did not save Ukraine. TB2s worked for three days because Russian air defences were told to assume anything in air was friendly. "By day 10 they were ... denied in most areas" says Watling.
Justin Bronk mentioned that the TB2 footage we saw during the initial weeks of the invasion were actually taken during the first few days but were released in stages by the Ukrainians as part of a PR/propaganda move. Given the density of the Russian AD network I guess it's unsurprising and to be expected that the TB2s [or any other UAS for that matter] would have faced serious obstacles over the battlefield.

 

Vivendi

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A new, $400 million package from the US was announced Wednesday. The new package includes HIMARS ammunition, HARMs, 200 precision-guided 155mm artillery, 150 heavy machine guns with thermal imagery sights, 10,000 120mm mortar rounds, and additional munitions for NASAMS. US to send anti-drone machine guns, air defense ammunition to Ukraine

I think the US is made a big mistake in not shipping significant quantities of ATACMS. When Russia started their massive attack on civilian infrastructure, the US should have sent a warning to Russia to stop immediately, or else face the consequences. "the consequences" should have been shipping ATACMS in addition to all the other gear. Just like the current HIMARS rockets has made a huge difference, so would ATACMS have had a significant impact on Russian military capabilities. And it should not be considered a major escalation by itself, but a response to a major escalation by Russia (targeting civilian infrastructure as Russia has done is both a war crime and a major escalation of the conflict).
 

Vivendi

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Justin Bronk mentioned that the TB2 footage we saw during the initial weeks of the invasion were actually taken during the first few days but were released in stages by the Ukrainians as part of a PR/propaganda move. Given the density of the Russian AD network I guess it's unsurprising and to be expected that the TB2s [or any other UAS for that matter] would have faced serious obstacles over the battlefield.

Yes, not very surprising -- Bronk and Watling worked on the "air war report" together, and both participated in the Podcast that OPPSG was referring to above. Thus, you and OPSSG are basically referring to the same sources..

I have linked to the report they wrote before, but I am happy to do so again since it's a very good read (for those who prefer to read and not watch/listen): The Russian Air War and Ukrainian Requirements for Air Defence
 

OPSSG

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Thus, you and OPSSG are basically referring to the same sources..

I have linked to the report they wrote before, but I am happy to do so again since it's a very good read (for those who prefer to read and not watch/listen): The Russian Air War and Ukrainian Requirements for Air Defence
Thanks for the link.

Here’s an interview with Andrew Milburn CEO of the Mozart Group (Hrupa Motsart) — this is a private military company operating in Ukraine — providing training services and last mile evacuation.

Andrew Milburn is the founder of the Mozart Group. He retired from the Marine Corps in 2019 as the Deputy Commander of Special Ops Command Central.

Andrew Milburn talking about their 5 day training for Ukrainians, before they push a 120 man coy forward for the Battle for Kyiv — some units coming back w 70% causalities. New troops replace the losses & the coy starting another 5 day cycle with survivors.
 
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STURM

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I have linked to the report they wrote before, but I am happy to do so again since it's a very good read (for those who prefer to read and not watch/listen): The Russian Air War and Ukrainian Requirements for Air Defence
Yes it's the same source and I mentioned you linked it not too long ago. The video I posted is on Bronk explaining about his findings from his Ukraine trip; including a couple of things which may not have been mentioned in the RUSI report.
 

Ananda

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When Russia started their massive attack on civilian infrastructure, the US should have sent a warning to Russia to stop immediately, or else face the consequences.
US practically targeting power and power grid infrastructure in Iraq and Afghanistan and their other operations including in Balkan. This's also including telecomunications and transport infrastructure. Those infrastructure in war can be call dual used infrastructure, as it is also can be used by military need. Without power and telecomunication Ukranian military will have difficulties running their electronics.

West can do it (in their military operation), why Russian can not ? Tell Russian doing bad thing to do it, simply part of hyprocrite stand by US and West (on doing military operation). Ukranian also targeting Russian power and telecom in border area like Belegorod. If it's in much smaller scale then Russian done, it is more to Ukranian capabilities and not their intention.
 

Vivendi

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US practically targeting power and power grid infrastructure in Iraq and Afghanistan and their other operations including in Balkan. This's also including telecomunications and transport infrastructure. Those infrastructure in war can be call dual used infrastructure, as it is also can be used by military need. Without power and telecomunication Ukranian military will have difficulties running their electronics.

West can do it (in their military operation), why Russian can not ? Tell Russian doing bad thing to do it, simply part of hyprocrite stand by US and West (on doing military operation). Ukranian also targeting Russian power and telecom in border area like Belegorod. If it's in much smaller scale then Russian done, it is more to Ukranian capabilities and not their intention.
I suggest you read this: Ukraine: Attack on civilians and infrastructure

1. If the US or others committed war crimes in Afghanistan, Iraq and Balkan then that should be investigated, and the responsible charged and if found guilty punished. However, in e.g., Afghanistan investigations are difficult to launch for obvious reasons. ICC: Afghanistan Inquiry Can Resume

2. Independent of whether Western countries have committed war crimes in the wars you are referring to: Are you really suggesting that one war crime somehow should "justify" another war crime? I strongly disagree with this principle. "Two wrongs don't make a right".

3. I did not just refer to war crime but also that the massive infrastructure attacks constitute a major escalation. The reason why ATACMS have not been sent to Ukraine yet is, as far as I can understand, because the US is concerned about this being seen as a major escalation from the US. However, in the current situation it should instead be considered a response to a major escalation, and not a major escalation by itself.
 

Vivendi

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Joint statement from the Nordic countries earlier this week:

The Nordic countries have since the beginning of the invasion supported Ukraine with lethal and non-lethal military materiel, humanitarian aid and funds. This support will continue. We remain steadfast in supporting Ukraine’s sovereignty, political independence and territorial integrity. We will not let Russia’s nuclear rhetoric or aggressive actions deter our support to Ukraine. The Nordic countries have in total, donated approximately 1.7 billion euros in defence related support to Ukraine.
Joint statement by the Ministers of Defence of NORDEFCO - regjeringen.no

I am happy to see this -- I hope they will not just keep donating, but also increase the size and capability of the donations. Sweden should send Gripen fighter jets, and Norway should (together with the US) donate more NASAMS. The only way to end this war is by providing much stronger support to Ukraine.
 

tl1000r

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that should be investigated, and the responsible charged and if found guilty punished. Your link didn't provided any little facts of subject reported.

Independent of whether Western countries have committed war crimes in the wars you are referring to: Are you really suggesting that one war crime somehow should "justify" another war crime? I strongly disagree with this principle. "Two wrongs don't make a right"
If the West Countries haven't support the Ukrainian forces by plenty of deadly weapon (all those strikes got aimed to slow down the transport of new supplement of West arms for the UA forces) so Russian forces didnt even needed to plan those strikes. I'd say it proxy war, you can call it as rescue of Ukraine (and all other countries which Putin plain to capture), doesnt matter IMO, all those decisions going to kill new peoples and waste the money.

I did not just refer to war crime but also that the massive infrastructure attacks constitute a major escalation. The reason why ATACMS have not been sent to Ukraine yet is, as far as I can understand, because the US is concerned about this being seen as a major escalation from the US. However, in the current situation it should instead be considered a response to a major escalation, and not a major escalation by itself
wait a little, US holding the hand on the pulse, when the intensivity of war will slow down or the Russian forces will get the iniciative, ATACMS enters the game.
 

STURM

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If the US or others committed war crimes in Afghanistan, Iraq and Balkan then that should be investigated, and the responsible charged and if found guilty punished. However, in e.g., Afghanistan investigations are difficult to launch for obvious reasons. ICC: Afghanistan Inquiry Can Resume
The problem is the powers that be can be very selective when it comes to deciding who to prosecute for war crimes. By right shouldn't Bush and Blair be tried as war criminals given what happened in Iraq? Shouldn't the Saudis and their allies be tried to or to do they get a free pass because they're chums of the West? Did any Western leader bear responsibility for the Iraqi children who died because they were denied dual use medical equipment for their treatment? Isn't that a war crime? Who bears responsibility for Libyan civilians killed [collateral damage is the cliche used] because the West decided that Gaddaffi was no longer their best mate?

Then we have militaries who grudgingly admit that mistakes have happened and they compensate but at times compensation is somewhat tight fisted.


''British forces have paid compensation for the deaths of 64 children in Afghanistan, a toll four times higher than the 16 child deaths publicly acknowledged by the Ministry of Defence, according to a new report. Action on Armed Violence (AOAV), a United Kingdom-based charity, found that the British government paid, on average, £1,656 ($1,894) in compensation for each person killed.''

Are you really suggesting that one war crime somehow should "justify" another war crime? I strongly disagree with this principle. "Two wrongs don't make a right".
I don't believe that was what Ananda was alluding to and that was made clear in his post.

I did not just refer to war crime but also that the massive infrastructure attacks constitute a major escalation.
It is a major escalation and is something that [like war itself] should not happen or be excused but amidst all this talk about the evil Russians intentionally targeting energy and water infrastructure; let's not forget that democratic rules based Western countries did the same thing [and were open about it] in Serbia, Iraq and other places; leading to mass suffering and deaths on the part of ordinary civilians; including children.
 
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Vivendi

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The problem is the powers that be can be very selective when it comes to deciding who to prosecute for war crimes. By right shouldn't Bush and Blair be tried as war criminals given what happened in Iraq? Shouldn't the Saudis and their allies be tried to or to do they get a free pass because they're chums of the West? Did any Western leader bear responsibility for the Iraqi children who died because they were denied dual use medical equipment for their treatment? Isn't that a war crime? Who bears responsibility for Libyan civilians killed [collateral damage is the cliche used] because the West decided that Gaddaffi was no longer their best mate?
Personally, I strongly believe that all wars should be investigated for potential war crimes. Not just the wars you selectively list above, but all wars, and all sides. Just like it is internationally accepted to have an investigation after an airplane crash.

We are not there, and the "multipolar world" that China and Russia are promoting, and some naive people are dreaming about, will not bring us any closer -- on the contrary.
 

sdin

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I suggest you read this: Ukraine: Attack on civilians and infrastructure

1. If the US or others committed war crimes in Afghanistan, Iraq and Balkan then that should be investigated, and the responsible charged and if found guilty punished. However, in e.g., Afghanistan investigations are difficult to launch for obvious reasons. ICC: Afghanistan Inquiry Can Resume

2. Independent of whether Western countries have committed war crimes in the wars you are referring to: Are you really suggesting that one war crime somehow should "justify" another war crime? I strongly disagree with this principle. "Two wrongs don't make a right".

3. I did not just refer to war crime but also that the massive infrastructure attacks constitute a major escalation. The reason why ATACMS have not been sent to Ukraine yet is, as far as I can understand, because the US is concerned about this being seen as a major escalation from the US. However, in the current situation it should instead be considered a response to a major escalation, and not a major escalation by itself.
2 wrong doest make a right, but it was always right and `that wrong' and this war. Destroying the Baghdad infra's daily is a routine few months before full invasion., where millions have been displaced. The number of refugees flooded other countries were obvious to the calamity of the iraqis od that war.

If you are really serious of war crime accusation you should call it first against many suffering of civilians in Iraq, Libya and Afhanistan. Don't you remember the term of Collateral Damage. How many of NATOs and western soldiers been tried of war crime?

in Kosovo conflict, how about thousand of civilians killed in the attack of infra's in Belgrade? War in Kosovo but attack in Belgrade? Care to explain?
 

seaspear

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The U.N has I understood to have passed a number of resolutions condemning Russia's actions in Ukraine it is not just the hypocritical west condemning Russia . It's very easy to be taken in by Russia s deliberate tactics of misinformation to justify their actions
 
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