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This was from seven days ago Red Cross renews appeal to visit site of Ukrainian POW attack and the attack on the prison was on the 29th.Do you mind providing the links to the UN and Red Cross statements that Russia prevented the investigation? This is quite significant since Russia is claiming that they attempted to involve both the Red Cross and the UN in the investigation.
There is scant evidence of Russian mistreatment of POWs in this conflict. And granted, my basic assumption is that bad things are happening. But in this case both sides have that situation currently and that history. Russia is not the Soviet Union, and neither is Ukraine, but both come from that past. The SBU is also a successor to the KGB. I'm also not sure I see a connection between mistreatment of POWs in general and POW torture for intelligence reasons, and this missile strike.
The rebels have historically done much worse then Russia. It's commonly understood in circles knowledgeable about the LDNR that in the '14-'15 wars the rebels routinely didn't take prisoners from Ukrainian volunteer formations. Executing 3 western citizen POWs as "mercenaries", or rather threatening to do so as a political maneuver to try and put western countries in the uncomfortable position of either negotiating with the rebels directly for their release, or letting them die through inaction, is significantly less heinous then what some rebel unit were doing '14. But again I'm not sure what this has to do with the current strike.
Last but not least, to quote someone... what makes a country a country is if other countries think that country is a country. There was a time when internationally the United States wasn't recognized as a legal independent country. And considering the fate of the LDNR is almost certainly Russian annexation, their legitimacy as nation-states is mostly irrelevant. I would disregard the court procedure entirely as symbolic nonsense and see this threat for what it is; a political maneuver. Either western countries have to negotiate with the rebels directly and publicly, giving Russia a major propaganda win and quite plausibly (though far from certainly) securing the release of their citizens. Or they do nothing, and the LDNR presents this as the execution of western war criminals for a different kind of domestic propaganda win.
On 30/7/22 this was published by RT:
The Russian Defense Ministry announced on Sunday that it had officially invited independent experts from the UN and the Red Cross to investigate the shelling of a detention center in the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR). The bombing on Friday killed 50 prisoners, and wounded dozens more.
“In the interest of conducting an objective investigation of the strike on the detention center in Yelenovka, which led to the deaths of many Ukrainian prisoners of war, the Russian Federation has officially invited experts from the UN and the International Red Cross Committee,” the ministry said.
Moscow blames the shelling that killed dozens of Ukrainian prisoners of war on Kiev
As of the 3rd August 2022 (4 days ago):
As of yet, we have not been granted access to the PoWs affected by the attack nor do we have security guarantees to carry out this visit. Our offer to donate supplies remains unanswered.
We will keep requesting access to POWs who are or were held in Olenivka, and any other sites where PoWs are held, guided by our humanitarian commitment and our mandate under the Geneva Conventions.
We have received many questions about the ICRC's role in the international armed conflict in Ukraine, our work in helping POWs and what the Geneva Conventions say about their rights. Here are some answers to those questions.
I know which one I believe and it isn't the Russian version.