The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

kefalo84

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This works. So far this is just an unconfirmed claim. We will have to wait on footage to confirm. Next time just go ahead and post these kinds of sources with the provided disclaimer that we're dealing with less than wholly realiable information.
Understood, thank you!
 

kefalo84

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Russians are claiming a tank kill in the area of “Avdiivka”. They are claiming artillery unit of DPR made a correction using a drone.
Ukrainians are using the same footage(Reddit) and claiming the tank belongs to the Russians.

Date is unknown - but the combat footage looks good, and todays the first time I’ve seen it post anywhere.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/utbdfn
 

OPSSG

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Part 1 of 3: Random, misc updates & perspectives

1. US Secretary of State explaining the war in Ukraine on day 82, to an American audience on “The Late Show With Stephen Colbert.”

2. It is interesting to see Team Biden’s domestic messaging on the Russian aggression — key talking point, this is not a proxy war but a war between Russia and Ukraine, with the Americans supporting Ukraine’s resistance to the aggression. US placed sanctions on Russia to put pressure on them to end this war.
 
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Ranger25

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The US is sending another 18 M777 155mm towed guns to UKR. Shipping will commence immediatly. The Donbass is certainly shaping up to be a more and more long range fight. The M777 range paired with the arrival of the Excalibre rounds could have a larger role on the contest.

 

Feanor

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I hope I’m doing this the correct way. Let me know if it doesn’t work.


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Kharkhov post.

Feanor, if I am doing anything incorrectly, please let me know. I’d like to contribute to the forum in a correct manner. Hope I’m making sense.
Other sources are confirming the claims, but we're still pending on footage. Rozhin claims Russian forces have reached the Lisichansk-Soledar road. War in Ukraine confirms a multi-directional breakout at Popasnaya. If this advance turns out to be true and holds, it bodes bad things for the Severodonets-Lisichansk grouping. They would be borderline encircled, and far from their current positions, meaning an escape would require a fast and motorized-mechanized march down any available routes (to bypass Soledar would require moving along a small road through Verhnekamenka to Seversk and then down to Bakhmut, behind Soledar, vulnerable to air and artillery. In light of continuing Russian attacks on Severodonetsk, and other sections of the front line, it's unclear whether this would even be a viable option. The alternative would be a Mariupol'-style siege ending in likely destruction/surrender.

 

kefalo84

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According to telegram channels, one of the Azov Battalion commanders surrender. Still awaiting official photos.


I don’t know if this is one of them, or a guy who resembles.



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kefalo84

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Does Russia possess any drones similar to TB-2 and MQ-1??

I have to say I am surprised how ineffective Russian airpower has been, at least compared to USA standards. Is that due to different offensive doctrine, or Russia’s air assets can’t get the job done? It seems Russian troops are trying to dislodge any Ukrainian troops using artillery, and very little with airpower, drones specifically.
 

Feanor

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Does Russia possess any drones similar to TB-2 and MQ-1??

I have to say I am surprised how ineffective Russian airpower has been, at least compared to USA standards. Is that due to different offensive doctrine, or Russia’s air assets can’t get the job done? It seems Russian troops are trying to dislodge any Ukrainian troops using artillery, and very little with airpower, drones specifically.
Russia operates two in principle comparable drones, the Orion-S and the Forpost-R (a domesticated Searcher Mk2 clone with strike capability). However both are relatively scarce. I suspect the issue is predominantly planning and coordination. We've seen Russian FOCs operating in Mariupol', for example. But it appears Russia doesn't have the integration across the military, rather has a niche specialist capability that gives you enough to fight a war like Syria or coordinate a limited effort.
 

kefalo84

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This is a very interesting video by [deleted]

Video suggest that the surrender was not approved by the command. Interesting point of view nonetheless.

To his point however, in the video, Ukraine cannot allow anymore encirclement’s. They’ve already set a precedent that if you get surrounded, there’s probably no help. As he puts it in the video, Ukraine needs to be careful that it doesn’t repeat Mariupol 2.0 in Severodonetsk.

Mod edit: Youtube link in the post deleted, as he seems not to understand the basic tactic of trading space for time. Ukraine’s high command was forced to choose their fight and they elected to let Mariupol get surrounded; as it tied up enough Russian forces for the victory at Kyiv to occur.

Some of the battles for Kyiv resemble a tactic called motti, where the Finns in the Winter War inflicted great sufferings on the Soviet advance. Author,
Pasi Tuunainen explains that motti battles has been described as “slicing off the road-bound enemy columns to allow their defeat in detail (dispersing the enemy’s forces and destroying it one unit at the time)” and that “motti tactics were also used by the Finns in summer and autumn conditions, between 1941 and 1944 against the Red Army, and in late 1944 against the Wehrmacht.”

There should be minimum standards in sources used — this is just one logically inconsistent, lazy guy’s opinion on YouTube, especially since it’s a speculative opinion without field work. Worse, he does not even seem to have a good understanding of the history he cites, and this is typical of YouTube cesspool on the war in Ukraine.
 
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Redlands18

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This is a very interesting video by [deleted]

Mod edit: Youtube link in the post deleted, as he seems not to understand the basic tactic of trading space for time. Ukraine’s high command was forced to choose their fight and they elected to let Mariupol get surrounded; as it tied up enough Russian forces for the victory at Kyiv to occur.

Some of the battles for Kyiv resemble a tactic called motti, where the Finns in the Winter War inflicted great sufferings on the Soviet advance. Author, Pasi Tuunainen explains that motti battles has been described as “slicing off the road-bound enemy columns to allow their defeat in detail (dispersing the enemy’s forces and destroying it one unit at the time)” and that “motti tactics were also used by the Finns in summer and autumn conditions, between 1941 and 1944 against the Red Army, and in late 1944 against the Wehrmacht.”


There should be minimum standards in sources used — this is just one logically inconsistent, lazy guy’s opinion on YouTube, especially since it’s a speculative opinion without field work. Worse, he does not even seem to have a good understanding of the history he cites, and this is typical of YouTube cesspool on the war in Ukraine
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And that just about sums up 90% of the Military Videos on YT, especially the top 10 stuff.
 
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vonnoobie

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This is a very interesting video by [deleted]

Video suggest that the surrender was not approved by the command. Interesting point of view nonetheless.

To his point however, in the video, Ukraine cannot allow anymore encirclement’s. They’ve already set a precedent that if you get surrounded, there’s probably no help. As he puts it in the video, Ukraine needs to be careful that it doesn’t repeat Mariupol 2.0 in Severodonetsk.
As the old saying goes "horses for courses". Different strategies and/or tactics will only make sense under the right circumstances. If you pocket an enemy force out in largely open terrain where they have limited spots to hide then you have achieved a major victory, if you pocket them in a heavy urban area or city then you have only achieved in tying down a large chunk of your forces trying to shrink and clear it house by house, building by building, block by block. Need only look at Mariupol where according to wiki (sorry I haven't found any other sources on numbers but if anyone has them be much appreciated) 14,000 where deployed against a force of 3,500 (numbers do seem low to me for Ukrainian forces but idk honestly) which tied them up for almost 3 months. Russia has taken it sure so they won the battle but the time and personnel needed to achieve it bought Ukraine a massive amount of time to build international support, win key battles and start training new forces while the Russian advance has been reduced largely to WW1 rates of advance if at all.

When you factor that all in if the numbers are accurate Russia will need a large chunk of their forces just to maintain the pocket, a much larger chunk if they want to actually start shrinking and capturing it. Ukraine might lose 12,000 troops but Russia could put them selves in the position of having zero reserves to deploy anywhere and even reducing the force numbers at various locations just to win at a single point.

Now this is not set in stone, may not play out this way but it is a possibility that shows that achieving a pocket won't necessarily be in your own benefit.
 
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OPSSG

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Part 2 of 3: Random, misc updates & perspectives

3. Ukraine has filed a case against Russia at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) which seeks to establish that Russia has no lawful basis to take military action in Ukraine on the basis of unsubstantiated allegations of genocide. In a joint statement on behalf of Albania, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Montenegro, Netherlands, NZ, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, UK, US, and the European Union, Canada said:

“In these proceedings, the ICJ issued a significant ruling on 16 March 2022, which orders Russia to immediately suspend its military operations in Ukraine. We welcome the Court’s ruling and strongly urge Russia to comply with this legally binding order…​
As the principal judicial organ of the UN, the ICJ is a pillar of the rules-based int’l order & has a vital role to play in the peaceful settlement of disputes.”​
 
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kefalo84

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This is a very interesting video by [deleted]

Video suggest that the surrender was not approved by the command. Interesting point of view nonetheless.

To his point however, in the video, Ukraine cannot allow anymore encirclement’s. They’ve already set a precedent that if you get surrounded, there’s probably no help. As he puts it in the video, Ukraine needs to be careful that it doesn’t repeat Mariupol 2.0 in Severodonetsk.

Mod edit: Youtube link in the post deleted, as he seems not to understand the basic tactic of trading space for time. Ukraine’s high command was forced to choose their fight and they elected to let Mariupol get surrounded; as it tied up enough Russian forces for the victory at Kyiv to occur.

Some of the battles for Kyiv resemble a tactic called motti, where the Finns in the Winter War inflicted great sufferings on the Soviet advance. Author,
Pasi Tuunainen explains that motti battles has been described as “slicing off the road-bound enemy columns to allow their defeat in detail (dispersing the enemy’s forces and destroying it one unit at the time)” and that “motti tactics were also used by the Finns in summer and autumn conditions, between 1941 and 1944 against the Red Army, and in late 1944 against the Wehrmacht.”

There should be minimum standards in sources used — this is just one logically inconsistent, lazy guy’s opinion on YouTube, especially since it’s a speculative opinion without field work. Worse, he does not even seem to have a good understanding of the history he cites, and this is typical of YouTube cesspool on the war in Ukraine.
Appreciate the constructive criticisms. After rewatching the YouTube video, I can see why it can be labeled opinionated. I will pay attention in the future.

But to expand on your post. I will research more on the motti tactics. However, I am not sure that tactic can apply to Severodonetsk, or am I missing something? Severodonetsk is about to be surrounded unless Ukrainians can stop the Popasna offensive. I understand that Mariupol was besieged, but that was because of the enormous factory. The factory was besieged, not the city itself. I am not familiar with the Severodonetsk terrain, so I am a bit skeptical about the ability of Ukrainians to put up a siege, if they got surrounded.

Furthermore, in Dombas, I’ve seen a lot of territorial defense units. They aren’t “elite” like Azov or the Marines. I am unsure they will last longer if left on their own.

To me, it seems more logical to withdraw from Severodonetsk, straighten the frontline, and get everyone reorganized.
 

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Post 1 of 2: Things that are conceptually not correct

1. I couldn’t care less about that YouTuber’s expressed opinion — as he does not understand the use and effects of terrain and how war is planned and conducted. He is just bullsh!ting his audience. IMO, there are new idiots born everyday and they can keep following his channel.

To me, it seems more logical to withdraw from Severodonetsk, straighten the frontline, and get everyone reorganized.
2. This is conceptually not correct — this is such a fundamental error in thinking about battlefield geometry. BTW, the forward edge of battle is never a straight line (or even tidy) and ongoing battles are always ‘messy.’ The terrain features dictate the nature of the fight. The JFO area, for example, is set up as a series of strong points to force the Russians to concentrate and mass to attack in certain created channels.

3. The war in Ukraine provides us with examples of: (i) the successful use of intelligence by the Ukrainian Army; and (ii) the weaknesses within Russian collection, analysis, and decision-making. High-level intelligence sharing, the leveraging of crowdsourced open source intelligence, and sharp, flexible strategic planning have thus far provided advantages to the Ukrainians. In contrast, Russia’s demonstrable weaknesses on the battlefield stem from their bigotry of low expectations (when assessing Ukrainian capabilities and morale).

4. Anyone moderately interested would know the Russian objective is to encircle Ukrainian forces in Eastern Ukraine and capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts (the claimed territory of Russia’s proxies in Donbas).

(a) Meanwhile, the Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian troops are attempting to erect a pontoon bridge over the Severskyi Donets River in the vicinity of Yaremivka, about 25 kilometers southeast of Izyum in the direction of Slovyansk.​
(b) Russian forces additionally conducted artillery strikes on Dovhenke and Dolyna, both southeast of Izyum heading towards Slovyansk.​
(c) Russian forces reportedly intensified efforts to break through Ukrainian defenses around Popasna in order to push towards Severodonetsk from the south on 20 May 2022.​
(d) Pro-Russian news sources reported that Russian forces made advances through Ukrainian lines of defense in three directions. Russian Airborne (VDV) forces reportedly took control of Volodymirivka and Lypove, and broke through Ukrainian defenses in Komyshuvakha, all north of Popasna. Troops of the Russian ”Wagner” Private Military Company reportedly took control of Trypillya and Vyskrivka to the west of Popasna.​
(e) Ukrainian sources noted that offensive operations are on-going in Vyskrivka. Russian forces additionally reportedly took control of Troitske, south of Popasna. Such reports are consistent with Ukrainian General Staff statements that the Russian grouping around Popasna is trying to take new frontiers in the area.​

Appreciate the constructive criticisms. After rewatching the YouTube video, I can see why it can be labeled opinionated. I will pay attention in the future.

But to expand on your post. I will research more on the motti tactics.
5. Sane people interested in defence matters tend to come here to share views. Glad you came and are willing to both learn and share.

Severodonetsk is about to be surrounded unless Ukrainians can stop the Popasna offensive.
6. On 15 May 2022, the Ukrainian Army demolished the bridge between Severodonetsk and Rubizhne, as the Russian forces were closing in. Ukrainian officials confirmed a breakthrough from Popasna and Russian troops on the outskirts of the strategic town of Soledar. If Russians capture it, they will have almost cut off Lysychansk / Severodonetsk completely.
Q: Is being surrounded so fearful?​

Please justify, given the prepared defences in place. Save for a brief mention on what is wrong, I am under no obligation to further explain why. Rather than posting, please do some background reading on the desperate Valley of Tears Battle, which was fought from 6 to 9 Oct 1973 on the Golan Heights. The Ukraine Army has some desperate battles to fight soon.
 
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OPSSG

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Post 2 of 2: Things that are conceptually not correct

I understand that Mariupol was besieged, but that was because of the enormous factory. The factory was besieged, not the city itself. I am not familiar with the Severodonetsk terrain, so I am a bit skeptical about the ability of Ukrainians to put up a siege, if they got surrounded.
7. You have been misled by the YouTube channel that talks nonsense. He does not talk about battlefield geometry, the effects of terrain or tactics to suit the terrain. Don't miss sight of the wider picture — in Feb 2022, we thought Russia would capture Kyiv within a week. Now talk is whether they can capture a smallish city (Severodonetsk) in a region they already controlled half of after 3 months of fighting.

Furthermore, in Dombas, I’ve seen a lot of territorial defense units. They aren’t “elite” like Azov or the Marines. I am unsure they will last longer if left on their own.
8. This should be a sector by sector discussion and not whether a defender is elite — that’s just fanboy nonsense.

9. Before you continue, please consider three additional points:
One, the most elite of the Russian units, the VDV of the 11th and 31st Guards Air Assault Brigades launched an audacious air assault in 20 to 30 Mi-8s, supported by Ka-52s, were able to quickly seize the strategically vital airfield but were destroyed trying to hold ground in the Battle of Hostomel Airport. It’s about tactics and battlefield geometry. The Russians got it wrong in the Battle for Kyiv.​
Two, even if the Russians win a small battle in an axis of advance; the Russians are still fighting in a manner that conforms to Ukraine’s strategy from day 1 — to trade space for time. Ukraine needs time to train more men as troops. Ukraine needs time for heavy weapons to arrive. As long as the weapons transfers keep going, Ukraine can’t be defeated. They may not always win every battle but they literally can’t lose.​
Three, Ukraine needs time for the Americans to calibrate the type of weapons they will get to fight the next stage of battle. A lot of hidden capability increment planning is going into each class of weapon to be transferred. In this case, the Americans are thinking of developing and maturing a sea denial strategy in the Black Sea.​
I am …not sure that tactic can apply to Severodonetsk, or am I missing something?
10. It does not apply — I am just debunking his and your point. Kyiv was a long delay battle — where motti tactics was used for attrition of the Russian logistics train to blunt the speed of advance.

11. Look at the terrain and how it can be improved or modified to channel the Russian attack. The terrain around Mariupol does not have the features of Kyiv; which was why they were forced to sit back into urban terrain.

12. For your post to be interesting to read, you need to ask yourself:

Q: What type of battles or tactics would a defender fight in Severodonetsk?​
The terrain and features are different from Mariupol, so it cannot be Mariupol 2.0. The Russian Army knows that Severodonetsk flanked by the Siverskyi Donets river in the northeast and it had a pre-war a population of over a 100k. The Russian Army is fighting in a manner that recognises this fact — the situation in Severodonetsk remains difficult; with the Russian Army continuing their assault on the city from the South.​
 
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kefalo84

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Q: Is being surrounded so fearful?​

Please justify, given the prepared defences in place. Save for a brief mention on what is wrong, I am under no obligation to further explain why. Rather than posting, please do some background reading on the desperate Valley of Tears Battle, which was fought from 6 to 9 Oct 1973 on the Golan Heights. The Ukraine Army has some desperate battles to fight soon.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown; that was very informative, especially the “buying time” part. It makes complete sense when you put it like that, so thank you.

To answer your question, since I was asked to justify my question/opinion. I still think it’s a pretty big deal if you get surrounded. I understand there are military units that train for this, but I am speaking from a personal perspective. I would not want to be surrounded, no matter what defensive position I have around me. However, I am no expert, and if you are saying that it’s not a huge deal as it’s made out, I’ll believe you.

On a different topic.

I don’t want to come off that I am defending Neo-Nazis, but I’ve noticed that the Russians are separating the POW’s into two groups based on their ideology or what the Russians perceive as a “bad tattoo”. Isn’t this against the Geneva convention, a war crime? I don’t think they should be treated differently, regardless of their ideology. POW should be a POW. What am I missing here?
 

Feanor

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Update.

Kiev Area.

An explosion in Kiev, presumably a Russian strike. It took place at Epicenter shopping center. Some sources claim a car exploded.


Allegedly the gas lines in Kiev are 9 hours long.


Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa.

Battle damage from Russian strikes, Nikolaev.


Battle damage at Shkol'niy airfield, near Odessa.


There are reports of Ukrainian airstrikes against Russian positions at Snegirevka, low altitude rocket attacks. There is also an unconfirmed claim of a downed Ukrainian Su-25.


Zaporozhye-Dnepropetrovsk.

New car plates that are about to be issued in Zaporozhye.


Kharkov-Sumy.

Russian forces allegedly prevented Ukraine from setting up a pontoon crossing. It's honestly a little hard to tell what's happening.


Ukrainian 2S7 hit by a Russian strike near Kharkov.


Russian security forces conduct raids in Volchansk.


Captured foreign weapons near Kharkov.


The Izyum Salient.

Russian army aviation, near Izyum.


Russian forces took Dolgen'koe village, but fighting continues.


Ukrainian BMP-1 knocked out and captured, Izyum Salient.


Destroyed MBT, Izyum Salient, allegedly a Ukrainian T-64. It's hard to tell.


LDNR Front.

Alleged DNR sniper firing, location and context unclear.


Somalia btln T-72B and ZU-23-2 firing towards Ukrainian positions, Avdeevka.


A pickup truck allegedly being used by Ukrainian command staff, destroyed near Avdeevka.


Ukrainian forces using the M-777 somewhere in the Donbas.


Rebel Grads firing somewhere near Mar'inka.


Giatsint-B firing towards Avdeevka.


Russian or rebel artillery shelling Zolotoe.


Battle damage at an animal feed factory, Slavyansk. It was allegedly being used as a staging area for Ukrainian troops.


Battle damage from Ukrainian shelling, Donetsk.


Large explosion in Artemvosk, presumably a Russian strike.


Overrun Ukrainian positions near Troitskoe.


Overrun Ukrainian positions near Novobakhmutovka, attacks are continuing towards New York, (former Novogorodskoe), with some reports claiming it was already taken.


A knocked out T-72AV is being shown off in Lugansk. It's interesting because it has T-55 wheels instead of T-72 wheels. I suspect the vehicle is Ukrainian.


LNR forces apparently captured a BRDM-2.


KrAZ Cougar in rebel hands near Severodonetsk.


Rebel soldier from the LNR 202nd Rgt with a captured AT-4.


Russian VDV in Popasnaya, possibly confirming their involvement in the recent breakout.


Russian BMPTs, likely from the 90th Tank Div, have shown up near Popasnaya.


Russian Rtut'-B EW station in LNR area.


Russian helos, very low altitude. The threat of enemy air defenses is real.


Snipers with the Rus' btln, DNR, near Peski.


Body armor being supplied to the rebels, likely for their poorly equipped reserve units.


Allegedly Ukrainian forces blew up the gateways for the Mironovskoe water reservoire.


The bridge between Severodonetsk and Rubezhnoe was blown.


LNR forces clearing mines and UXO at the Zarya chemical plant, Rubezhnoe.


Russian EOD operating in Schastye.


Humanitarian aid being distributed in Vladimirovka, near Ugledar.

 

Feanor

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Mariupol'.

Old footage of Russian or rebel troops using a captured BTR-4 against targets in Azovstal'. Based on the footage I suspect they weren't shooting at anything in particular, just testing the vehicle.


The sunken Gyurza-M armored boat was raised by Russia.


Some power is restored to some residential buildings, Mariupol'.


Some schools are reopening in Mariupol'.


Russia.


Chechen volunteer fighters preparing for a flight to Ukraine. If recent materials are any indication, it's likely that the fighters were trained in Chechnya, but are likely from all over Russia.


The Caesar Kunikov large landing ship returns from repairs. It was presumably damaged in the same incident that saw the destruction of another Russian BDK.


Misc.

A pair of Ukrainian Mi-24s lobbing rockets in a manner similar to their Russian counterparts. This may be combat, or training.


Another Ukrainian Mi-24 low altitude fly-by, the location looks similar. Possibly the same as above.


Multiple low altitude fly-bys of Ukrainian aircraft.


Russian infantry clearing Ukrainian positions. Location unclear.


Russian Tor-M1 firing, location and context unclear. Target is claimed to be a Bayraktar.


A damaged Ukrainian T-64BV, captured by Russian forces. Location and context unclear.


Russian BTR-82A uparmored with scrap metal.


Russian sniper using an SSG 08, Ukraine.


VDV in action, Ukraine. I suspect some of the footage may have been staged. Interesting to note, the roving mortar van, and the sniper pair.


Antiquated weapons captured from Ukrainian troops.


Ukrainian KrAZ trucks with S-60s were apparently captured by Russian or rebel forces.


An alleged Russian volunteer unit recorded a video stating that they were misled about what they would be doing in the warzone and stated that they wouldn't fight.


Ukrainian troops put a D-44 back in service.


Assorted Russian forces.


A Peruvian fighter, Ukraine.


NATO/EU & Others.

Ukrainian forces training with Polish T-72s.


Polish T-72M1s upgraded with K-1.


Czech Dana howitzers in Ukraine.


It appears Ukrainian M-777s did not receive the digital fire control system.


More M-777s shipping to Ukraine.


YPR-765 IFVs in Ukraine, unclear who supplied them.


There are unconfirmed reports that Italy intends to deliver FH-70 howitzers and Lynx MRAPs to Ukraine.


Bushmaster PVM allegedly somewhere in Ukraine.

 

Feanor

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Thank you for the detailed breakdown; that was very informative, especially the “buying time” part. It makes complete sense when you put it like that, so thank you.

To answer your question, since I was asked to justify my question/opinion. I still think it’s a pretty big deal if you get surrounded. I understand there are military units that train for this, but I am speaking from a personal perspective. I would not want to be surrounded, no matter what defensive position I have around me. However, I am no expert, and if you are saying that it’s not a huge deal as it’s made out, I’ll believe you.

On a different topic.

I don’t want to come off that I am defending Neo-Nazis, but I’ve noticed that the Russians are separating the POW’s into two groups based on their ideology or what the Russians perceive as a “bad tattoo”. Isn’t this against the Geneva convention, a war crime? I don’t think they should be treated differently, regardless of their ideology. POW should be a POW. What am I missing here?
As I explained above, Russia claims some of them are war criminals and is processing those they claim to be associated with war crimes differently from regular Ukrainian military. It remains to be seen what in particular this leads to. I don't believe it's inherently against the Geneva convention to segregated POWs based on ideology. It certainly doesn't violate the Geneva convention to prosecute war criminals. However what follows the segregation and just how legitimate the prosecutions are remains to be seen.
 
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