The Royal Navy Discussions and Updates

[seaspear]

The mission could be defined by the missile loadout ,if for a mission it carries a high loadout of the SM-6 which has a aaw plus ssm role ,but does that mean the classification of the ship has changed, Daring class is normally carrying Aster 15 and 30 loadout not even sure the SM-6 could be fired via Pams or would it be easier to convert the Aster 30 to ssm, role if required.
The missile loadout of many European navies is half that of the Arleigh Burkes and the claim of those using Sampson or derivative is that they dont need to as because of how Aster targets incoming threats compared to the Aegis equipped ships of the U.S.N.which may have to fire two missiles at a threat

 

[ngatimozart]

The mission could be defined by the missile loadout ,if for a mission it carries a high loadout of the SM-6 which has a aaw plus ssm role ,but does that mean the classification of the ship has changed, Daring class is normally carrying Aster 15 and 30 loadout not even sure the SM-6 could be fired via Pams or would it be easier to convert the Aster 30 to ssm, role if required.
The missile loadout of many European navies is half that of the Arleigh Burkes and the claim of those using Sampson or derivative is that they dont need to as because of how Aster targets incoming threats compared to the Aegis equipped ships of the U.S.N.which may have to fire two missiles at a threat

No, the mission will be defined before or during the ships design stage. That's what I mean by mission in this case and probably a poor choice of wording in my case. In this case it is what the ship is designed for. Therefore the ships classification is designated then.

 

[Volkodav]

The Ticonderoga class were designed as AEGIS equipped DDGs to complement the CGN-42 class nuclear powered Cruisers that were evolved from the Virginia class CGNs. The Virginias(and the preceding classes) were designed as DLGs, i.e. Destroyer Leaders Guided Missile, or Frigates.

 

[OldNavy63]

A Great Job by HMS Argyll’s ships company and Royal Marines in rescuing all 27 crew from the blazing RoRo/Container Carrier MV Grand America in the Bay of Biscay overnight.

BZ to all !

Navy crew saves 27 from burning ship

 

[Systems Adict]

A Great Job by HMS Argyll’s ships company and Royal Marines in rescuing all 27 crew from the blazing RoRo/Container Carrier MV Grand America in the Bay of Biscay overnight.

BZ to all !

Navy crew saves 27 from burning ship

Meanwhile the British press is not impressed with possible decisions about future Naval ship manufacturing....

Anger as Spain becomes favourite to land £1bn contract to build BRITISH warships

(I'm assuming they're referring to the future logistics ships, as discussed in post #12468 ??)

 

[Systems Adict]

I'd heard about this event at the time it happened, but had to wait until I could find an appropriate press release / link to share...

HMS Medway handed over as HMS Forth readies for sea | Royal Navy


SA

 

[StobieWan]

Meanwhile the British press is not impressed with possible decisions about future Naval ship manufacturing....

Anger as Spain becomes favourite to land £1bn contract to build BRITISH warships

(I'm assuming they're referring to the future logistics ships, as discussed in post #12468 ??)

Ah, the Express


I guess it really depends on the government - if HMG want the contract placed locally, they should stump up the cash to support it and declare the ships strategic capabilities and instruct the MOD to buy British. If not, the MOD will go for the best deal they can get and will have to award it to a foreign yard, I don't even know if a UK yard has bid ?

 

[seaspear]

Defence procurement - Internal Market, Industry, Entrepreneurship and SMEs - European Commission
There are rules which E.U members are meant to follow to allow access and tendering for defence related projects to encourage efficiencies ,in theory

 

[ngatimozart]

Defence procurement - Internal Market, Industry, Entrepreneurship and SMEs - European Commission
There are rules which E.U members are meant to follow to allow access and tendering for defence related projects to encourage efficiencies ,in theory

Ah but come 29 March 2019 will the UK be in the EU or will it not be? That is the question. Given the clusterf*** that has passed for UK BREXIT planning, one would not wish to bet the farm, nor the neighbours farm on it. They may be out whether they like it or not and they only have themselves to blame.

 

[Systems Adict]

Ah but come 29 March 2019 will the UK be in the EU or will it not be? That is the question. Given the clusterf*** that has passed for UK BREXIT planning, one would not wish to bet the farm, nor the neighbours farm on it. They may be out whether they like it or not and they only have themselves to blame.

We're British & We're proud of it !

Our democracy was written with clauses in it that state if the people feel the government ISN'T doing what the people democratically asked it to, we can sack them !

Don't see that in the constitution.... ?

LoL

Apart from that, I voted REMAIN, but the majority voted LEAVE. I stand by that result & just wish that the democratically elected individuals who are supposed to represent the wishes of the common man who put them in power are actually carried out, rather than the pollies demanding ANOTHER VOTE !

But enough of politics, where's my suitcase...

 

[Redlands18]

We're British & We're proud of it !

Our democracy was written with clauses in it that state if the people feel the government ISN'T doing what the people democratically asked it to, we can sack them !

Don't see that in the constitution.... ?

LoL

Apart from that, I voted REMAIN, but the majority voted LEAVE. I stand by that result & just wish that the democratically elected individuals who are supposed to represent the wishes of the common man who put them in power are actually carried out, rather than the pollies demanding ANOTHER VOTE !

But enough of politics, where's my suitcase...

There’s plenty of room in OZ, come on down.

 

[OldNavy63]

RN manpower.

The linked article was published on the Save The Royal Navy website on Monday, just in case anyone missed it.

Has the Royal Navy solved its manpower problems?

 

[hauritz]

We're British & We're proud of it !

Our democracy was written with clauses in it that state if the people feel the government ISN'T doing what the people democratically asked it to, we can sack them !

Don't see that in the constitution.... ?

LoL

Apart from that, I voted REMAIN, but the majority voted LEAVE. I stand by that result & just wish that the democratically elected individuals who are supposed to represent the wishes of the common man who put them in power are actually carried out, rather than the pollies demanding ANOTHER VOTE !

But enough of politics, where's my suitcase...

I don't want to get political but Brexit is just stupid. It makes no sense to withdraw from the second largest economy in the world.

The majority of those under 45 voted to stay ... it is only those above 50 who strongly want to leave. As the old codgers die off Britain will probably find itself trying to re-enter the EU.

Still the colonies might get some benefit out of this.

 

[StobieWan]

Apparently this is backed up by an on the ground statement to RN personnel earlier - apparently there's a briefing team who do a sort of "myth busters" affair for rumours etc and they're definitely in line with the idea that there are now enough sailors to get both carriers worked up and to have the escort fleet running with none of the lengthy layups etc that have been common.

 

[ngatimozart]

The RFA Mounts Bay is on the US East Coast mine hunting off Virginia with USN EOD teams as part of a USN experiment to deploy teams off allied warships. This includes EOD rotary wing assets as well.

Why a British ship will hunt mines off the Virginia coast

 

[Systems Adict]

...& in other news...

Important milestone for new patrol ship


SA

 

[ngatimozart]

.... & even more news which impacts both the RN & RAF.

British MOD pushes the brakes on key air-combat training initiative

Why oh why can't they just make their minds up and stick with a program from start to finish.

 

[OldNavy63]

Type 31e: Comparison of contenders

The Type 31e frigate candidates compared | Save the Royal Navy

The Babcock Thales offers potential for future growth, decent range, main gun and more flexibility in the mission bay for boats and mission containers. Building in Rosyth acts as a balance to BAE.

 

[Systems Adict]

Type 31e: Comparison of contenders

The Type 31e frigate candidates compared | Save the Royal Navy

The Babcock Thales offers potential for future growth, decent range, main gun and more flexibility in the mission bay for boats and mission containers. Building in Rosyth acts as a balance to BAE.

Read the blurb, read the comments attached to the webpage.

Questions:

IF UK PLC has stated that the ship has to come in at <£250m, WHY would they accept a ship that will cost <£400m ?
The x3 consortiums will have put their bid-tenders into UK PLC, so why are two public knowledge, but the 3rd has basically given the scantest of information ?
With UK PLC looking to make cost savings to be able to pay for equipment, why would they accept a bid that doesn't provide equipment / system commonality with current fleet equipment ? In turn, how much will competitors charge to facilitate this, as I'm pretty certain that some of the companies involved will state "This is what we're offering, if you want it changes, it will cost 'X' !

 

[John Fedup]

Two hundred and fifty million pounds, does anyone really believe this is realistic? Surely a bare bones T26 won’t be much more than whatever T31 candidate emerges and will have at least as much UK content, be more capable, and perhaps more importantly be upgradeable to a full T26!