T-98 vs Arjun
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Arjun mk 2vs Leo 2
MKI vs F-18 E
Arjun mk 2vs Leo 2
MKI vs F-18 E
Not in this topic area though. Create a new one.dabrownguy said:
its so easy to talk of super technology and superiority of weapon systems compared to others...i guess what really matters in a real battle(not iraq or afghanistan or any other steam roller operations)is the reliability and affordability of these systems.agreed that in todays war scenarios technology has a large say,but still tactics,training and ur men matters the most.
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JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - AUGUST 18, 2004
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China fields enhanced Type 98 main battle tank
CHRISTOPHER F FOSS JDW Land Forces Editor
London
The Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) has fielded a further development of the advanced Type 98 main battle tank (MBT), dubbed the Type 98I (Improved) or Type 99, significantly increasing its battlefield survivability.
The Type 98 MBT was first observed during the major military parade in Beijing in October 1999. Sometimes referred to as the ZTZ-98, the Type 98 was a breakthrough for Chinese MBT tank design in the key areas of armour, mobility and firepower.
It is understood that total production of the Type 98 amounted to less than 100 units and could well have been as low as 60-80 units. Some sources have indicated that The Type 98 has only been fielded with one battalion equipped with 40 vehicles which become operational in 2001.
The Type 99 - also referred to as the Type 98I, Type 98gai and ZTZ-99 - has similar firepower and mobility aspects but has a much improved level of protection over its frontal arc.
The turret front has been changed to an arrowhead design similar to that of the latest German Leopard 2A5 and 2A6 MBT. This provides a significant increase in protection against attack from a variety of anti-armour projectiles.
It has also been confirmed that the Type 98 and Type 99 have thermal sights for the commander and gunner to enable targets to be detected, identified and engaged at much longer ranges.
Roof-mounted stabilised day/ night sights for the commander enables hunter/killer target engagements, in which the target is first located and tracked by the commander and then engaged by the gunner.
The Type 98 MBT was the first MBT in the world to be fielded fitted with a roof-mounted laser dazzle device called the ZM-97 which will neutralise enemy optical devices.
Several years ago it was confirmed that the Type 98 could fire a laser guided projectile from the 125mm smoothbore gun to a maximum range of 5000m. The 125mm smoothbore gun is based on a Russian design and fed by an automatic loader which first loads the projectile and then the combustible charge.
The three standard natures of 125mm separate loading ammunition are APFSDS-T (Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot - Tracer), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) and HE (high explosive). The APFSDS-T projectile has a muzzle velocity of 1,720 m/s and will penetrate 220mm of conventional armour at an angle of 68º at a range of 2000m.
China has also been working on depleted uranium (DU) anti-tank projectiles for some years and these may well have been fielded but are not currently being offered on the export market. The 125mm DU APFSDS-T round would penetrate at least 700mm of conventional steel armour protected by explosive reactive armour.
In addition to fielding the new-generation Type 99, China is also engaged in a major programme to upgrade its existing fleet of older MBTs in the areas of armour and firepower.
In Europe and the US, MBT development has virtually ceased, although some upgrade work is under way. Some NATO countries will phase out MBTs in the future (eg Belgium and Canada) and replace these by wheeled vehicles with little offensive capability.
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China fields enhanced Type 98 main battle tank
CHRISTOPHER F FOSS JDW Land Forces Editor
London
The Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) has fielded a further development of the advanced Type 98 main battle tank (MBT), dubbed the Type 98I (Improved) or Type 99, significantly increasing its battlefield survivability.
The Type 98 MBT was first observed during the major military parade in Beijing in October 1999. Sometimes referred to as the ZTZ-98, the Type 98 was a breakthrough for Chinese MBT tank design in the key areas of armour, mobility and firepower.
It is understood that total production of the Type 98 amounted to less than 100 units and could well have been as low as 60-80 units. Some sources have indicated that The Type 98 has only been fielded with one battalion equipped with 40 vehicles which become operational in 2001.
The Type 99 - also referred to as the Type 98I, Type 98gai and ZTZ-99 - has similar firepower and mobility aspects but has a much improved level of protection over its frontal arc.
The turret front has been changed to an arrowhead design similar to that of the latest German Leopard 2A5 and 2A6 MBT. This provides a significant increase in protection against attack from a variety of anti-armour projectiles.
It has also been confirmed that the Type 98 and Type 99 have thermal sights for the commander and gunner to enable targets to be detected, identified and engaged at much longer ranges.
Roof-mounted stabilised day/ night sights for the commander enables hunter/killer target engagements, in which the target is first located and tracked by the commander and then engaged by the gunner.
The Type 98 MBT was the first MBT in the world to be fielded fitted with a roof-mounted laser dazzle device called the ZM-97 which will neutralise enemy optical devices.
Several years ago it was confirmed that the Type 98 could fire a laser guided projectile from the 125mm smoothbore gun to a maximum range of 5000m. The 125mm smoothbore gun is based on a Russian design and fed by an automatic loader which first loads the projectile and then the combustible charge.
The three standard natures of 125mm separate loading ammunition are APFSDS-T (Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot - Tracer), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) and HE (high explosive). The APFSDS-T projectile has a muzzle velocity of 1,720 m/s and will penetrate 220mm of conventional armour at an angle of 68º at a range of 2000m.
China has also been working on depleted uranium (DU) anti-tank projectiles for some years and these may well have been fielded but are not currently being offered on the export market. The 125mm DU APFSDS-T round would penetrate at least 700mm of conventional steel armour protected by explosive reactive armour.
In addition to fielding the new-generation Type 99, China is also engaged in a major programme to upgrade its existing fleet of older MBTs in the areas of armour and firepower.
In Europe and the US, MBT development has virtually ceased, although some upgrade work is under way. Some NATO countries will phase out MBTs in the future (eg Belgium and Canada) and replace these by wheeled vehicles with little offensive capability.
Link please.doggychow14 said:
The article itself is unreliable, with two major errors.
First they could not get the designation right. Central Military Commission of PLA has given the tank the designation Type-99 for the first operation tank rolled out in that year. The improved version is designated as Type-99G.
Second the info on the main gun is incorrect. Type-99's main gun wasn't from Russian origin, but rather evolved from the 120mm anti tank gun developed during the late 1970's to mid 1980's by No.447 Factory. The autoloader however, was licensed produced from Russian.
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its from janes. its subscription.
I know Arjun is one of the most unwanted tank by any country on earth's surface.Srilankan said:
Regardless of Arjun's performance, the Indian army doesn't want it, not just that its bulkier and heavier than the army would want it to be, but its also one of the world's most expensive tank in the world (but not recognised to be the most advanced) due to the fact that over 50% of this "indigenously" designed tank's component are imports. :!:
Especially for you, I edited this post. Now refer to top of this postdabrownguy said:
A review of the Arjun was done recently by Autocar magazine. It has the following
MOBILITY
1. Arjun can do 0-40 Kmph in 9 seconds thanks to its superior german engine which has a torque convertor. The torque is better than the Al-Khalid and the T-80's which the paks have. They can harp all about the fact that Al-Khalid has a superior power to weight ratio but what matters is the torque
2. Its has a hydo-pneumatic suspension system that uses compressed nitrogen as a springing agent, with hydraulic shock absorbers to damp resonance.
3. The ride over bumby terrian is like a mercedes S-Class car. Even big dips and massive boulders did not affect the ride quality
4. Braking is superb. There are 2 massive brake disks in the rear but most of the braking is done by the torque convertor which reverses the torque
5. One of the comments given is that it feels agile inspite of its weight.
ARMOUR and protection
1. Rolled Homogenous Armour. Close to british Chombam armour. Its made up of composite steel, special alloys and ceramic bonded together. The differing densities puts a projectile offcourse and its looses its energy.
2. Each wheel is an independant unit which means that the tank can loose a couple of wheels and still limp home.
3. The projectiles are stored seperately from the crew in armoured containers. In Al-Khalid the crew sits right on top of them.
Offensive capability
1. 120mm rifled main gun with laser and infra red aided fire control system
2. Before firing the gun goes in a stabilized mode in which it literally floats up like a hovercraft having a suspension of its own. The tip of the gun remains absouletely still even over bumpy terrain.
3. Ballistic computers gather information from the laser on the distance to the target and take into account the wind velocity, air temperature, air pressure and type of ammunition selected all in real time
4. While the gun is tagettting a target the commander can aim at another target and the gunner can lock on to the other target at the press of a button
5. It has a lethal fin stabilized armour piercing shot which leaves the barrel at almost 5 times the speed of sound (mach 5) and concentrates all its energy into an area of a 1 rupee coin and bores deep into its target.
6. The other type of shell it uses is the High Explosive Squash Head (HESH) carrying explosives for both hard and soft targets.
7. An anti tank israeli missile (LAHAT) has also been fired from the gun. Lot of paks were harping that could not be fired one from a rifled gun
MOBILITY
1. Arjun can do 0-40 Kmph in 9 seconds thanks to its superior german engine which has a torque convertor. The torque is better than the Al-Khalid and the T-80's which the paks have. They can harp all about the fact that Al-Khalid has a superior power to weight ratio but what matters is the torque
2. Its has a hydo-pneumatic suspension system that uses compressed nitrogen as a springing agent, with hydraulic shock absorbers to damp resonance.
3. The ride over bumby terrian is like a mercedes S-Class car. Even big dips and massive boulders did not affect the ride quality
4. Braking is superb. There are 2 massive brake disks in the rear but most of the braking is done by the torque convertor which reverses the torque
5. One of the comments given is that it feels agile inspite of its weight.
ARMOUR and protection
1. Rolled Homogenous Armour. Close to british Chombam armour. Its made up of composite steel, special alloys and ceramic bonded together. The differing densities puts a projectile offcourse and its looses its energy.
2. Each wheel is an independant unit which means that the tank can loose a couple of wheels and still limp home.
3. The projectiles are stored seperately from the crew in armoured containers. In Al-Khalid the crew sits right on top of them.
Offensive capability
1. 120mm rifled main gun with laser and infra red aided fire control system
2. Before firing the gun goes in a stabilized mode in which it literally floats up like a hovercraft having a suspension of its own. The tip of the gun remains absouletely still even over bumpy terrain.
3. Ballistic computers gather information from the laser on the distance to the target and take into account the wind velocity, air temperature, air pressure and type of ammunition selected all in real time
4. While the gun is tagettting a target the commander can aim at another target and the gunner can lock on to the other target at the press of a button
5. It has a lethal fin stabilized armour piercing shot which leaves the barrel at almost 5 times the speed of sound (mach 5) and concentrates all its energy into an area of a 1 rupee coin and bores deep into its target.
6. The other type of shell it uses is the High Explosive Squash Head (HESH) carrying explosives for both hard and soft targets.
7. An anti tank israeli missile (LAHAT) has also been fired from the gun. Lot of paks were harping that could not be fired one from a rifled gun
well mr berry,these are engineering problems.they do have solutions.as for road bridges,they dont matter as india transports tanks by rail.as for the rail wagons,customised wagons are ready for operations.and if u are concerned about the bridges at the frontline(wherever that may be)army engineers can look into that.as for transport by air(???)we already can move t-72 in the il-76 and that should meet operational requirements,if any,as of now.anyway,transporting heavy tanks by air is not standard in any army except if they are badly needed in overseas deployments.americans and brits may do that but i dont think their bulk of the armoured force arrives by air.
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india already has a bridging system(mobile) in place called as sarvatra its capacity is 65 tons arjun weighs 58.5 tons ,abrahms weighs 65 tons ,challenger and leopord both weigh 60+tons.by the way most modern battle tanks cannot be air dropped unless it is a superheavy cargo aircraft like(an-124).
aerodynamic?????? :eek what for?wind resistance is not a trouble with the tanks.they hardly go over 45km an hour on road and far slower,cross country(am not talking of top speeds here).further,tanks aren't to be sleek sports cars.hope you know that.
by the way are you sure you know what a tank is?????
Why would anybody intentionally want to design a tank to be aerodynamic? Streamlined, prolly to an extent; but aerodynamic!! wtf?
And btw Arjun s not ready t go, it had been rejected by the army years back, and we now have a new improved Arjun Mbt2 that has been selected by the IA.
And btw Arjun s not ready t go, it had been rejected by the army years back, and we now have a new improved Arjun Mbt2 that has been selected by the IA.
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