South China Sea thoughts?

recce.k1

Well-Known Member
We have here a longer video on Twitter of the incident, which shows us how and why this happened. So in short the chinese coastguard vessel was chasing the Philippine coastguard vessel in an attempt to spray them with water. The Pinoys prevented this by making some good maneuvers and trying to not get on the port side of the chinese coastguard ship.

It seems the chinese destroyer tried to ram the Philippine ship, which would have a devastating effect if the chinese succeeded, but instead of that they collided with their own coastguard vessel. I think many crew members on the chinese coastguard vessel lost their teeths during impact.
Yes, that's karma.
https://x.com/jaytaryela/status/1954821095976305114
What's happening after the collision? Is the PLA-N Destroyer continuing its pursuit of the PCG vessel, with the PCG vessel simply maintaining its intended course?

Regardless looks like the PLA-N Destroyer has abandoned the badly damaged CCG vessel, wouldn't accepted international norms be to stop and render assistance?
 

DDG38

The Bunker Group
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At least it shows Type 52D is strong and robust destroyer. Chinese Coast Guard cutter base from same design as PLAN corvettes. So perhaps this can provide good advertising to Type 52D. China is planning to export them and already market them to few potential customers.
Yes don't under any circumstances mention how this is a rampant display of blatant amateur hour ship handling by a brown water navy desperately pretending to be a blue water one. "Look we ran into one of our own ships because we don't know the meaning of the phrase situational awareness, but we came away with hardly a scratch so buy our ship".
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
"Look we ran into one of our own ships because we don't know the meaning of the phrase situational awareness, but we came away with hardly a scratch so buy our ship".
They are learning to become Blue Water navy, and one of that learning curve is how to coordinate in open sea. They have to learn it mostly by themselves, and learning curve by mostly your own experience from Brown Water to Green and now Blue is not easy and will cost them down the line. Question is whether they can absorb the cost throughout the learning curve. No Navy get to be Blue water without their own learning curve cost.

There are going to be questions on the incidence, it could be incompetence, it could be Pinoy has manage to confused them, or (at least for me) the most probable coordination failures between Chinese Coast Guard and their own Navy.

My remarks on Type 52D robustness that come out from this incidents as marketing tools, perhaps consider sarcasm. However China do continue try to market that Destroyer. One thing for sure is the ability from Chinese to learn. Considering what they export now also improve in quality and tech abilities, I don't want to underestimate them.
 

koxinga

Well-Known Member
They are learning to become Blue Water navy, and one of that learning curve is how to coordinate in open sea.
I am pretty sure* learning to be a blue water navy does not include a module called how to ram a boat. Rather, the most basic and essential lessons are the Rules of the Road (COLREG) which emphasis safety at sea (SOLAS).

Shiphandling requires discipline and alertness more than anything else and everything in that incident shows complete and reckless disregard for COLREG.

* I served in my country's CG while my brother in the Navy.
 

Ananda

The Bunker Group
am pretty sure* learning to be a blue water navy does not include a module called how to ram a boat. Rather, the most basic and essential lessons are the Rules of the Road (COLREG) which emphasis safety at sea (SOLAS).
Ramming a boat or scaring off another ship in the end need coordination discipline, especially you are doing in team. That coordination exercise that I consider part of learning curve.

Shiphandling requires discipline and alertness more than anything else and everything in that incident shows complete and reckless disregard for COLREG.
That I agree, which I said in my posts they are having coordination breakdown. Still my point is with this incidence, does not mean they are not taking note on the mistake and learning. What I don't agree is that using this incidence and point out incompetence of PLAN and Chinese Coast Guard will stay.

All indication so far shown Chinese learn from their mistakes and revamp their operation. As long as they are willing to take the step learning curve and the costs accompanied that process, I'm not going underestimate their drive to become ocean going navy.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
Ramming a boat or scaring off another ship in the end need coordination discipline, especially you are doing in team. That coordination exercise that I consider part of learning curve.



That I agree, which I said in my posts they are having coordination breakdown. Still my point is with this incidence, does not mean they are not taking note on the mistake and learning. What I don't agree is that using this incidence and point out incompetence of PLAN and Chinese Coast Guard will stay.

All indication so far shown Chinese learn from their mistakes and revamp their operation. As long as they are willing to take the step learning curve and the costs accompanied that process, I'm not going underestimate their drive to become ocean going navy.
The PLAN and the CCG will learn (especially with regard to COLREG) but only wrt to their own vessels. They will continue these reckless actions against foreign ships.
 

John Fedup

The Bunker Group
it‘s also only a matter of time until one of their aircrafts collides with an USAF aircraft.
Possible but pilots are at much greater risk and even the PLAAF doesn't want to lose highly trained pilots and expensive jets. They will be risked for actual combat missions not dumba$$ intimidation. The PLAN can do that.
 

uguduwa

New Member
Possible but pilots are at much greater risk and even the PLAAF doesn't want to lose highly trained pilots and expensive jets. They will be risked for actual combat missions not dumba$$ intimidation. The PLAN can do that.
While that‘s true, there‘s no shortage of stupud stunts by them. Some things need to go only slightly wtong for a collision to happen.
 

Sandhi Yudha

Well-Known Member
I am pretty sure* learning to be a blue water navy does not include a module called how to ram a boat. Rather, the most basic and essential lessons are the Rules of the Road (COLREG) which emphasis safety at sea (SOLAS).

Shiphandling requires discipline and alertness more than anything else and everything in that incident shows complete and reckless disregard for COLREG.

* I served in my country's CG while my brother in the Navy.
The chinese coastguard ship really had the urge to spray the Philippine coastguard ship with its port side water cannon, and the destroyer was really focused on ramming the Philippine vessel, to the point the chinese vessels don't know each other's positions.

A complete lack of situational awareness. The collision is just a punishment for their reckless behaviour.
 
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