OOPs sorry GD, yes they are in the thick of it and doing a good job.
Should NATO include Australia, Israel, Singapore, Japan & India?
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Actually you mentioned nothing. So I had to surmise.
Anyhow, adressed both 'ghan and Iraq in the same breath.
Fair enough on that point Chief, I stand corrected.
Grand Danois
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Saw you edited your post, edited mine as well. Now I made it look as if I had chip on my shoulder. Meh!
Incognito129
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Im sure they are strong, they are still insignificant and utterly useless without major support.
Both countries have decent air force, but they are not capable of any form of force projection.
What conspiracy? I never mentioned any conspiracy so dont put words in my mouth.
Incognito129
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India is a huge factor, no doubt about it. Japan and the Aussies? Australia is a great country dont get me wrong but navy wise they have the Collins(arguably one of the best), but its sure as hell aint winning a war.
I just dont see Japan contributing anything worth while. You only need so many god damn ASW frigates.
ASW frigates? Also AAW destroyers, LPDs, underway replenishment ships, submarines (look up how many Japan has - and they're high quality), maritime patrol aircraft, & now they're building helicopter carriers.
Contributing something worthwhile?
I don't see Estonia's 5000-man army contributing anything worthwhile. Or Luxembourg's singular infantry battalion.
Hungary? Latvia? Romania? Does Slovenia even have something worth calling a military?
Get real. That has never been a criteria considered important for membership.
I don't see Estonia's 5000-man army contributing anything worthwhile. Or Luxembourg's singular infantry battalion.
Hungary? Latvia? Romania? Does Slovenia even have something worth calling a military?
Get real. That has never been a criteria considered important for membership.
indian bull
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well together these 3 countries can make a strong alliance backed by US to contain chinese influence in the region.
The problem is that when the US signed treaties after WWII at the same time as NATO the Asian nations signed individual treaties instead of a group treaty. Because of different European nations influence in Asia, no group treaty was possible.
To this day Singapore is a separate entity than Japan, and South Korea is a separate entity too. Taiwan is more a Chinese entity than a fellowship with Japan or Singapore. India is as separate from China as Pakistan.
To this day Singapore is a separate entity than Japan, and South Korea is a separate entity too. Taiwan is more a Chinese entity than a fellowship with Japan or Singapore. India is as separate from China as Pakistan.
Incognito129
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Their helicopter carriers are dedicated to ASW. Their Oyashio's are arguably better than Collins except it wont matter much.
Japan has no offensive capabilities and I'd love to hear some more of this so called amazing offensive force they have.
Last time I checked Estonia had a shore to the Atlantic ocean. I dont remember any of the mentioned countries being anywhere near the atlantic. Yes geographical location does come in handy and may bear into strategic military relationships.
When it comes down to it. Who can those countries invade? Nobody. Dont kid yourself.
mic of orion
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Ozz by all means, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea as well. Singapore, perhaps, they are not well known for having true democracy there.
Israel, India, come on, NEVER!!!... Simply put, we do not need their security issues and fears. US wants them perhaps they should form alliance with them, they are welcomed to it, but I am sure it won't happened.
BTW Rudy the twat Giuliani , says a lot of crapy things, he is imbecile when it comes to foreign policy or anything else for that matter, I wouldn't listen to what he has to say. Someone said forgot who, Rudy Giuliani,there's only three things he mentions in a sentence, a noun, a verb and 9/11.
Israel, India, come on, NEVER!!!... Simply put, we do not need their security issues and fears. US wants them perhaps they should form alliance with them, they are welcomed to it, but I am sure it won't happened.
BTW Rudy the twat Giuliani , says a lot of crapy things, he is imbecile when it comes to foreign policy or anything else for that matter, I wouldn't listen to what he has to say. Someone said forgot who, Rudy Giuliani,there's only three things he mentions in a sentence, a noun, a verb and 9/11.
ummm... no?
Check again ! Estonia lies in the bottom of the Baltic Sea
mic of orion
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let me get that straight, you want US to pull out of NATO, but keep its bases In Europe.
nfloorl: nfloorl: nfloorl: How about US pulls out of Europe altogether, it won't make a one bit difference to us in EU. True, most will need to increase there defense budgets a bit, Germany comes to mind, well across the board. But this would prompt EU to form its own military. Strong military force, perhaps something like a EU Army, Air Force and Navy.
This would mean, extra 100-120 billion euros per year on defense, but would ensure EU has perhaps most powerful military after that of US, with about 2 million men under arms, 1 million in EU army, 300 000 in Air force, 250 000 in Navy and 50 000 Marines, + 400 000 in C3 ,HQ and Logistics, and overall annual budget of about 2% of EU GDP (about 360 billion U$).
More than enough to finance any future defense needs of European Union.
Don't forget EU will still have Nuclear deterrent in form of 8 SSNB and tactical nukes.
Obviously, you don't realise that the US bases in Europe are almost all in countries which are members of both NATO & the EU, as are 98% of the US troops in Europe (narrow definition). The other 2% are mostly in Kosovo, which doesn't exactly have any strategic advantages.
Include the Asian part of Turkey within Europe & the EU share drops to maybe 95%. Do you really think that you'd be allowed to keep those bases if you said "we're withdrawing from NATO & won't help defend you"?
BTW, personally, I wouldn't mind at all. It might push our politicians into making sure our armed forces are properly equipped.
Oh yes - you also don't seem to know that except for the former USSR (but including three former Soviet republics), "The nations of the old Warsaw Pact" are now all EU members.
And Iceland.