Russian advanced bomber T-60S
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it can be fueled in air . su34 has made this operation 2 monthes ago when it completed a training flight from Moscow to Vladivostok that is about 9 000 km far from the flight-off point. To perform a preventive attack on terrorist's base there's no nesessarity to full load of tu160. su34 much more universal, our pilots said this craft has gone far away in from su24/25.
A large amount of Su-34's are better solution for quick reactions of major events in and around Russian territory. The Tu-160 is great aircraft, but its small numbers don't let it be stationed in a lot of locations at once. It best served as a quick reaction aircraft to a known threat. Let the long range Su-34 mop up the other stuff.
Yep, but TU-160 has a transcontinental range, that got to count for something aren't they? for russia, with it's economic problems but still with a desire to maintain it's influence, the long range TU-160 provide them with far reaching strike capability direct from their home bases to better project some of their military power. that means, no need to get permission to use foreign airfields.LancerMc said:
i don't believe that the cruise missile test was aimed at a terrorist in checnya. it's like trying to kill an ant with a 1000lb bomb. it must be for something else. unlike United States, russia doesn't have any serious enemies abroad. most of their enemies are there, close at home and the test could easily be conducted by SU-24/25 instead of massive TU-160. Say, maybe it's because putin was onboard.
contedicavour
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After reading the previous posts, I would just add a reminder : how many B-2s did USAF manage to build ?
Russia is strengthening its armed forces and its defence budget is improving, but it is still a lot behind the US budget. If even USAF has only managed to obtain a few B2s, never mind the TU-160 !!
I agree with previous remarks the money would be best spent on SU-34, or even simply on updating the SU27/30 and MIG29s
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Russia is strengthening its armed forces and its defence budget is improving, but it is still a lot behind the US budget. If even USAF has only managed to obtain a few B2s, never mind the TU-160 !!
I agree with previous remarks the money would be best spent on SU-34, or even simply on updating the SU27/30 and MIG29s
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contedicavour
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Good news Russia isn't planning to export the SU-34 ! If the US keeps the F22 for itself, and Russia does the same with the SU-34, the world's skies will be much safer !Lelik Rus said:
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Very interesting article, thanks !kams said:
From an economic point of view, spreading out fixed costs over a higher number of planes is a good idea, and it may lower unitary costs of USAF planes to the point that more than 183 could be built.
From a strategic point of view, I fear this is a very dangerous choice that will create further escalation especially in the Pacific Ocean (since the only country able to pay for a significant quantity of F22s is Japan).
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contedicavour
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Ouch. Then it's only a matter of time before China buys it and may be even builds it locally. Then Japan will feel forced to buy F22s, etc etc...tphuang said:
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contedicavour
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Do you know if the Senate (traditionally more conservative...) is likely to approve foreign sales of F22s ? What about the President ?Big-E said:
I would be against such an approval, since it would risk escalading procurement wars in the Eastern Pacific... F35s are perfect for allied countries.
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Gee thanks, this forum is very attractive, it helps to cumulate posts at an amazing speedzetruz said:I'm thinking Cold War... actually, I believe there already is one between China and Japan. It's just the arms race that's missing. Holy bugger, that opened my eyes! Btw, congrats to your 1000'th post. (or however you say... 1000nd, 1000th?)
I fear we are very close to an arms race. For instance if China refits Varyag, or if Japan buys F22s, or if N. Korea tests a nuclear weapon, any of these could spark a massive arms race.
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I'm sure Bush will aprove it, he will do just about anything to bring more orders for it b/c of jobs. I'm sure the Senate districts that contain the production facilities will approve it. I just feel we our selling our national security for a few pieces of bread.contedicavour said:
contedicavour
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I agree it's a dangerous move, may be even very short-sighted.Big-E said:I'm sure Bush will aprove it, he will do just about anything to bring more orders for it b/c of jobs. I'm sure the Senate districts that contain the production facilities will approve it. I just feel we our selling our national security for a few pieces of bread.
Is there a way to create an export F22 with less capable radars, electronics, missiles, may be even less stealth-ier characteristics ?
If it were to cost less, USAF might be able to buy a bit more.
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We are sliding a bit off topic here with F-22 foreign sales. Back on topic with the T-60S.
This program seems a lot like the PAK-FA, Russian aviation fans go on and on about it, but really I doubt even a prototype exists. Of course there have been artist impressions around which you can find here http://www.aeronautics.ru/t60s01.htm
This program seems a lot like the PAK-FA, Russian aviation fans go on and on about it, but really I doubt even a prototype exists. Of course there have been artist impressions around which you can find here http://www.aeronautics.ru/t60s01.htm