RADM Jim Gilmour is our new Commander Joint Forces New Zealand. A good appointment in my view.
New Commander of NZDF operations – New Zealand Defence Force – Medium
New Commander of NZDF operations – New Zealand Defence Force – Medium
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Donnzy
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via RNZN facebook page, engines getting installed in Aotearoa
Plenty of grunt. HMNZS Aotearoa’s two huge Rolls-Royce engines were recently installed. Weighing in at 60 tonnes each, these 5400kW monsters will propel the 26,000 tonne HMNZS Aotearoa at 16 knots through the ocean. Putting out 7200 horsepower each, they’re the equivalent of 23 Holden Commodore V6’s all pulling in the same direction!
Plenty of grunt. HMNZS Aotearoa’s two huge Rolls-Royce engines were recently installed. Weighing in at 60 tonnes each, these 5400kW monsters will propel the 26,000 tonne HMNZS Aotearoa at 16 knots through the ocean. Putting out 7200 horsepower each, they’re the equivalent of 23 Holden Commodore V6’s all pulling in the same direction!
Novascotiaboy
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This is a picture looking aft on a vessel with similar dimensions as the Edda Fonn. The photo is taken showing the size of 700 m2 of deck. 17m x 41m
Note the door midships. This swings down and in. Crash walls are 8 feet. Would be a better option than the low free board on the EDDA FONN.
Note the door midships. This swings down and in. Crash walls are 8 feet. Would be a better option than the low free board on the EDDA FONN.
Those walls do nothing but inhibit the many tasks envisaged for the ship, easy access to and from the water for deploying various equipment, buoys and undefined gear would seem to be a requirement.
These walls are fine for carrying cargo and drill gear out to rigs where unloading is simply holding under a rig crane and for heavy weather work but unless she spends all her time in the Southern Ocean they’re overkill IMHO.
There will be many tasks throughout NZs area of responsibility, including the tropical Pacific.
Novascotiaboy
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The deployment of uuvs or divers will be via specific locations such as the moonpool and the starboard side deployment davit for the rov .
The need for high sides in the cargo area is to protect military specific cargo ie. Soft sided Vehicles, heavy construction equipment and general outsize cargo from heavy seas. This vessel is to be multi purpose so the installation of a rear ramp has significant benefit when Canterbury is un available or loaded herself. I took this pic today to give a visual of the size that the new vessel will provide to the RNZN.
The higher sides also provide protection to crew members from prying eyes and unfriendlies.
Just a glimpse of whats to come.
The need for high sides in the cargo area is to protect military specific cargo ie. Soft sided Vehicles, heavy construction equipment and general outsize cargo from heavy seas. This vessel is to be multi purpose so the installation of a rear ramp has significant benefit when Canterbury is un available or loaded herself. I took this pic today to give a visual of the size that the new vessel will provide to the RNZN.
The higher sides also provide protection to crew members from prying eyes and unfriendlies.
Just a glimpse of whats to come.
It's not a cargo area though, it's a working area and this ship is not for moving vehicles it's for supporting the littoral teams ie dive, hydro and MCM (they don't have too much use for a truck) anything else is a bonus not primary task. You just need to look at its predecessors for an idea of it's main intended role(s), multipurpose yes, but still primarily based around it's primary core function. All ships are coined multipurpose in our small navy these days but that could be as simple as supporting other agencies by merely having them onboard, patrolling the EEZ or transporting supplies on board for HADR, not anything drastically structural, especially for something relatively infrequent in comparison.
An embarked force on the OPVs would have more use for vehicles, but that's not really their intended role either. If you want to store cargo then put them in containers or marine proof accordingly not confine a ship to a particular minor role through drastic modifications ie walls for moving freight??
The actual company we got this ship from has these very ships you speak of and they too are for specific roles but we selected this one in particular, I would like to think they have done their homework.
Novascotiaboy
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A low free board will not be a nice place to be during sloppy seas.
At least they have chosen to enclose the forward areas where the small craft have been located in davits.
At least they have chosen to enclose the forward areas where the small craft have been located in davits.
How did we ever survive in the T12s, the Moa’s and every other escort that worked in a variety of roughers from the N.Atlantic to the Southern Ocean.
I once worked in an Oceanagraphic research ship(Kimbla) which shovelled Tasman Sea greenies through its horns over its 6ft freeboard bow. We all got wet, happens when you go to sea.
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Yep, if you can't take a joke you shouldn't have joined. The old RNZN Bird class trawlers that did sterling service in the Solomon Islands during WW2 shipped water and then there were the RN Flower Class corvettes in the North Atlantic, which were renown for being wet ships, both on deck and below deck. I reckon the sailors on the Flower class corvettes should've put in for submarines service pay.
Respect to everyone who crewed Kimbla.
I visited her on a GI open day when I was a kid.
Of all the ships, I was drawn to and captivated by, the Snail.
Dunno why, she was just oddly beautiful.
I'm envious of your experience!
Novascotiaboy
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Times have changed and the safety of everyone and everything is important thats why this new ship has a moon pool so the divers dont have to go over the side. Thats why there is a hangar for the rov so maintenance can be done under cover.
Type 12s are 60 plus years ago and the end of WW2 is now 73 years on. Technology has moved on. This is one of the reasons why young people dont want to stick around when there safety is not considered in the engineering of systems or tools. Habitability and workplace considerations for safety are paramount today.
Type 12s are 60 plus years ago and the end of WW2 is now 73 years on. Technology has moved on. This is one of the reasons why young people dont want to stick around when there safety is not considered in the engineering of systems or tools. Habitability and workplace considerations for safety are paramount today.
You've found a picture of a PSV, how is it relative to EDDA Fonn? Fonn is an OSV she has completely different design requirements, she also has two big deck cranes which take up space, which the PSV doesn't have.
Novascotiaboy
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All I was providing was a visual impression of what the 700 m2 deck area will look like. Thats it. Nothing more. I offered my opinion of concern regarding low freeboard.
This is a multi purpose vessel that will be used to haul cargo and complete a multitude of tasks for the GOTD if thats the tasking. I offered my opinion based upon my experience. This is not a fighting ship and it will not just sit alongside or just support diving ops and hydrography .This will likely be a very busy ship supporting the GOTD with tasks that up to now have been done by the OPVs.
This is a multi purpose vessel that will be used to haul cargo and complete a multitude of tasks for the GOTD if thats the tasking. I offered my opinion based upon my experience. This is not a fighting ship and it will not just sit alongside or just support diving ops and hydrography .This will likely be a very busy ship supporting the GOTD with tasks that up to now have been done by the OPVs.
The fact that the capability planners selected an OSV without the Great Walls of China indicates that the tasks you consider important aren’t recognised as being essential or even necessary. If they wanted a cargo carrier there are other options.
Novascotiaboy
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Time will tell. Lets wait and see. Fact remains what I photographed is the size of a cargo / work deck that the Edda Fonn has. Plain and simple fact .
@Novascotiaboy Assail is a naval seagoing professional and KiwiRob is based in Norway working in the shipping industry so both are very knowledgeable in their fields. I also believe that KiwiRob is quite familiar with these types of vessel, so I wouldn't bother coming the raw prawn with them over it.
Novascotiaboy
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Ngati how do you think I took the photo? Marsec requirements dont just let anyone walk onto a ship.
This discussion is past its point of usefullness.
This discussion is past its point of usefullness.
No props or shafts, and I get the impression reading between the lines that there re other bits missing as well.
Possibly used for parts elsewhere.
Still, could be cheap - but will need to be towed away.
MB
Indeed, time will tell. But it's not the only fact in your original post. It's a bit disingenuous to now make the size of the space the only fact that matters when in your original post you editorialised about the superiority of the 8' crash walls shown and repeatedly posted that as a fact, whatever the RNZN wanted. My perspective - RNZN hadn't previously seemed to want them and their own judgement on what will work best for them is probably an actual decision point while my uninformed opinion isn't.
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