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Royal New Zealand Air Force

Discussion in 'Air Force & Aviation' started by Lucasnz, Jul 17, 2006.

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  1. robsta83

    robsta83 The Wanderer

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    I was glad to see she was absolutely laughed out of the room by practically all online mediums. In fact the numbers alone were very interesting, suggesting a greater level of engagement than I expected. Now is certainly the time for the NZDF to capitalise on an awakening of awareness of the Pacific, the threats and the potential instability that is coming.
     
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    I think they will mostly grasp the opportunity Rob. They can afford to buy a house there - in your home town of Marton or even in Bulls, Palmerston Nth or Feilding. A basic 3 Bedroom terrace in Hobsonville or West Harbour is now over $800000 and not affordable to anyone on a 5 Sqd salary. Way way less down there. I just jumped onto trademe to see what you can buy. The upshot is that they are about $500000 less than West Auckland.

    Look at this place for $360000 in Marton - you would not get the land it is on for that these days anywhere close to WP.

    Architecturally Designed In Quiet Location

    Palmerston North is a decent sized regional city and less than 30 minutes away and is a tertiary education centre with a large university and thus all the usual cultural stuff that it enables for the wives, a major hospital, a high court and law & accountancy forms, ag-hort research centre, there are good local schools which are higher rated than anything RNZAF staff could afford to buy into in zoned Auckland, you are 90 minutes to Turoa skifield, close to the Ruahines and Kaimanawa's for hunting, and Bulls seems to have smarten its self up in recent years.

    A good place to bring up kids, an outdoors life and they are going to be your neighbours Rob. ;)
     
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  3. RegR

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    Aucklanders love Auckland and everyone else, well dose'nt, same goes for the Air Force. I did everything humanly possible not to post there as so far as to threatening nay promising a signed 717 on direct posting, luckily for me it seemed to work. Auckland, nice enough place to visit but would do my head in living there.

    The housing areas are not as big of a consideration for defence these days as they put more emphasis on pers finding rental or buying themselves out in the community. There is now a collective time bar you can live in a service house over youe career and then you are expected to have either bought or found alternative arrangements. The OH situation will be interesting if both 5 and the singas move into town as it could cause a rental shortage in the surrounding towns.

    For a lazy $billion I wonder if they will build new or simply refurb the current hangers? Wpuld be an oppourtune time to do either whilst the have a free hanger ie bowl/ refurb the empty one then on completion move a sqn and do the same to the next one so sqns can go about their daily buisness with minimal disruprion and then when 5 finally moves down it will be straight into new facilities.

    I suspect at least consideration will go into the actual runway in terms of lengthening and areas such as bomb loading facilities although pretty sure this was in the pipeline previous, might just be abit more grand now.

    Will be interesting to see if they move sqns around (more to keep WH "viable") and yes 42 would be the most logical choice and in the long term the overall future of WH itself. They did dabble with the consolodation idea, gave up and then pumped funding into the bases infrastructure (medical, trades etc) instead so this could put a hold on any planned projects (gym, new barracks etc) as TBH I think this could be the catalyst to seal RNZAF Base Aucklands fate, it survived the chopping block once but there has now been a big shift (literally) in the future direction and it's abit more stacked against now instead of for.
     
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    There is a reasonable chance that Singapore will also opt for the P-8 to replace its Fokker 50's with the proliferation of submarines starting to build up in their area.

    If so, that could be a plus for choosing Ohakea in the long term and an even wider training facility (assuming they could access the simulators etc).
     
  5. danonz

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    Not sure if this has been posted, last year US DOD listed what the package will entail Im sure its going to change though

    if it has been posted feel free to remove post
    New Zealand – P-8A Aircraft and Associated Support | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency

    WASHINGTON, Apr. 28, 2017 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to New Zealand for P-8A aircraft and associated support. The estimated cost is $1.46 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on April 27, 2017.

    New Zealand has requested the potential sale of up to four (4) P-8A Patrol Aircraft. Each includes: commercial engines, Tactical Open Mission Software (TOMS), Electro-Optical (EO) and Infrared (IR) MX-20HD, AN/AAQ-2(V)1 Acoustic System, AN/APY-10 Radar, ALQ-240 Electronic Support Measures. Also included are eight (8) Multifunctional Information Distribution System Joint Tactical Radio System (MIDS JTRS); five (5) Guardian Laser Transmitter Assemblies (GLTA) for the AN/AAQ-24(V)N; five (5) System Processors for AN/AAQ-24(V)N; thirty (30) AN/AAR-54 Missile Warning Sensors for the AN/AAQ-24(V)N; ten (10) LN-251 with Embedded Global Positioning Systems (GPS)/Inertial Navigations Systems (EGIs); support equipment; operation support systems; maintenance trainer/classrooms; publications; software, engineering, and logistics technical assistance; foreign Liaison officer support, contractor engineering technical services; repair and return; transportation; aircraft ferry; and other associated training, support equipment and services. The total estimated cost is $1.46 billion.
     
  6. Rob c

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    Totally agree, and there is a lot more going for it also recreationally, socially and educationally with very good polytechs in Palmy and Wanga's,also if you have the money some top private schools, for instance Nga Tawa in Marton has a 100% pass rate in Ncea . But I remember talking to some WH personal when Helen want to shut it and the problem was they were settled there and the OH region simply was not Auckland. The housing could be interesting as there is (for country town standards )a shortage locally. In Marton the current time on the market is 21 days and there is seldom more than 1 or 2 available for rent, Bulls is better for rent due to the ex married quarters sell off, Feilding has more available but it still could be tight. Some as you said will take this as an opportunity, but to other misguided souls it will be purgatory. Dear me, how sad, nevermind.
     
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    Interesting that Boeing has now made a major investment in Embraer, and (from the looks of it) will handle international marketing of the KC-390, amongst other aircraft. That will presumably help to assuage concerns about Embraer's ability to deal with production issues and provide customer support, if Boeing explicitly stand behind the KC-390. And being a next-to-launch customer (after Portugal - a NATO member) would enable negotiation of a sharp price and support package. Making the assumption that the KC-390 would stack up against the C-130(J); jet speed, Antarctic-range (true?) and a proper toilet on-board could swing it for the pollies...
     
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    With Boeing onboard it would definetly make the KC-390 a more lucrative propisition, at present Embraer & Brazil are unproven when it comes to Military Airlifters and this may put many Countries off. Also puts Boeing in a strong position for a future USAF C-130 replacement,
     
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    Interesting that there is mention of 'training aids' but nothing specific about a simulator. I really hope the DefMin was correct when he used the 's' word in an interview, and wasn't just meaning computer-based learning.
     
  11. MrConservative

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    There is to be a simulator house built at OH as part of the infrastructure package. Mentioned in a lengthy article in the The Press dated July 14.

    PressReader.com - Connecting People Through News

    I hope that it gives you a little more piece of mind 40South. I have listened to or at least read a comment from Air Marshal Kevin Short on the P-8A where the word simulator was mentioned. Don't have a link for that one though.
     
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    Despite the fact that Golriz is very easy on the eyes why do we allow foreign born people and dual citizens to become members of parliament?
     
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    Cadredave Defense Professional Verified Defense Pro

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    Mate there will be full trainers/simulators for the P8 just like the NH-90, SH2Gi, MARs, ANZAC bridge sim the list goes on, it will be included as NZDF is fully aware of the benefits sims provide...IMHO it won't be long & all these sims will be integrated with each other in the future to provide JF command post type activities.
     
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    Why shouldn’t foreign born persons become members of parliament?
    Provided they are not dual citizens there is nothing to say they won’t be effective citizens and become their representatives. In fact immigrants often appreciate the bounty of their adopted country with greater zeal than locals and in many cases excel in many fields.
    In a free progressive society all citizens are entitled to enter politics and NZ is not and should not be an exception.
    Sorry for OT but this needed to be called out.
     
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    It depends on the country and the organization of the gov't. In the US for instance, the position of POTUS can only be held by a "natural born" US citizen which has generally be taken to mean someone born on US soil, although a sort of except/gray area was involved when Sen. McCain ran for the office of President in 2008, because he was born in the Panama when his father was stationed there.

    The best historical example I can think of where this prohibition applied was to Alexander Hamilton, having been born in the Leeward Islands and not one of the colonies which became the United States. The basic concern at both the time of the founding and since then, is that the office holder's loyalty needs to be to the US, as opposed to having conflicting loyalties between the US and a foreign country or countries.

    Parliamentary systems being setup in a different fashion, the it could be possible for a foreign-born and/or dual-citizen to become an MP, much like someone who emigrated to the US and became a citizen could run for certain public offices like in the House or Senate, but there would be limits on what positions they could occupy, or the line of presidential succession would skip over them. Madeleine Albright comes to mind as an example since she was born in Prague in what is now the Czech Republic, but has served as the US Secretary of State, which is 4th in the line of US Presidential succession, after the VP, Speaker of the House, and President pro tempore of the Senate.
     
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    Hi, Friends.
    Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manhã informed that Portugal will pay 600 million Euros for the acquisition of five KC-390.
    It is hard to know what else is in the package, but we can notice a big difference in price, compared to the German acquisition of six C(KC)-130J.
    Cinco aviões custam 600 milhões de euros para reequipar a Força Aérea
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  17. MrConservative

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    That is because the support package and additional gear the Germans ordered for their J's was quite significant and likely for an extended period.

    The French FMS request was a little different and somewhat cheaper. The devil is in the detail.
     
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    Comparing prices between countries is a trap, how inclusive is that price, it may only be the basic Aircraft without all the extras. To get an idea of how many extras there are for a Transport aircraft have a look at the lists that go to Congress for a US FMS sale, there is about a further 10 items that have to be cleared, such as Comms, Decoys etc. Throw in a Trg Package for Aircrews & Ground Crews, equipment for ground crews Airbase upgrades and the real cost will be much higher.
    Australia for example quotes, through life costs for everything involved in the purchase. For exactly the same capability Australia would be quoting publicly something like $1.5-$2.5b
     
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    It looks like Mark Mitchell is egging on Ron Mark to hurry up and decide on the transport fleet.
    Probably handy to have some one else come in make all the arguments and take the flack from the left, for most likely the same equipment he would have wanted under national. I feel some what less anxious with Ron Mark as def min now, if it was a straight labour government i'd hate to think where the defence force would end up.

    From the article it doesn't really make clear if he is referring to the the p8 over the herc for priority, or the replacement aircraft for the herc, probably the former.

    excerpt from article
    "When you talk about climate change and weather-related issues in the Pacific, it's actually the Hercules that do the heavy lifting in terms of getting medical aid and supplies into remote or tough areas to access."

    Mr Mitchell said he knows what decision he'd make if he were still the minister"

    Defence force urged to replace 50-year-old Hercules fleet
     
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    An excellent piece of 'softening up' for another big ticket purchase, but this one will get over the line quite easily... the bulk of NZers grasp what the Hercs do and as the article states, we've done too little for too long!
     
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