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Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates

Discussion in 'Navy & Maritime' started by icelord, Feb 13, 2007.

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  1. Stampede

    Stampede Active Member

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    Probably many layers of response to the situation in the Persian Gulf.
    Your suggest is not without some merit.

    On a side note a rather interesting Editorial in the Sept Edition of APDR by Kim Bergmann. re the rationale for going to the Gulf in the first place.
    Probably this is not the thread for that discussion but worth a read.
    APDR is free to sign up to.

    Regards S
     
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    This photo is from the Navantia facebook page. Stalwart ready to launch . Pennant number 304! Really thought we would go with the previous Stalwart's 215 not Success's 304.
    69149193_2516249525101889_1077862973969530880_n.jpg
     
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    Thanks for the pic.

    Good to see the this project tracking well so far.
    Maybe hard to tell in the photo, but the ships paint appears to be the newer Hase Grey colour scheme.
    Can anyone confirm
    I understand the latest Hobart Class destroyer is being repainted in this colour as well.

    Regards S

    PS - looks like they're yet to install the Five inch gun on the bow. ;)
     
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    Sydney is now in haze grey.
     
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    Launching of Stalwart
     
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    Since when has the RAN been putting the pennant number on the transom?
    I wondered when Supply was launched and assumed it was a mistake but...Stalwart also?
     
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    They’re on the quarter for the DDG. I have no real knowledge of the AOR project, but they look to be in exactly the same place (and style, but not colour) as the Spanish practice - so I wonder if it some quirk of the contract. standard RAN would, I would have thought, would have been OR 304 on the bow with the OR about a thirdthe size of the 304 and with the quarter markings, that’s what we’ve done since the late 60s for auxiliaries.
     
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    I really despair at the the complete paucity of coverage of the AOR’s. I don’t know what defence media are thinking but the coverage of the DDG build was pretty poor but the AOR’s have be all but ignored. A nice video of the previous Stalwarts and the build of this one would have been a nice touch.

    Absolutely pathetic.
     
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    I know Alexsa - but we all know this would be like waving a red flag (no Spanish Pun intended) in front of the AMWU Bull. Of course AMWU conveniently forget that the previous union aligned government chose to build the LM1E's in Spain, but they won't remind us of that.
     
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    I really think that issue is well past it. The vessels are being built as part of a 1.6billion dollar project and it seems quite odd that they would not remind the public of the Naval build up and the fact that 1billion of that 1.6 will be spent in Australia. Lets be honest the coverage of the DDG build was rubbish as well.
     
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    Well down here in Adelaide we often get reminders from the Opposition and AMWU about the valley of death imposed on ASC by the current government. Indeed I had a friend here alarmed that major servicing of Collins class might be shifted to WA. I should have asked him if he would like to have his major car servicing conducted in Perth - he could enjoy the drive across the Nullabor. We are way too parochial!
     
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    If there is a valley of death it was imposed by a previous government of a different persuasion which didn’t take up the option for the 4th DDG.
     
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    Yes... it is a bit nuts. Given the infrastructure being built you have to wonder what the AMWU really expected. As far as Naval shipbuilding is concerned SA and WA have done very well.
     
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    History and fact show otherwise, but don't let that get in the way of a good story and political agenda.
     
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    Attached is a very recent photo of SUPPLY at Navantia's fitting-out wharf in Ferrol.

    Excerpt of a translated Spanish media report follows.

    " Navantia has begun the testing phase of the first of the two supply ships it builds at its Ferrol shipyards for the Australian Navy (RAN), the AAOR Supply. This stage will start with the energization of the electrical panels to later begin the platform and combat system tests. The last step will be the sea trials, scheduled for December of this year. The ship will then head to Australia by its own means in the first quarter of 2020 for delivery to the country's Navy in June of that year. "

    @DaveS124 Provide a link to the sources for photo and the quote please
    Ngatimozart.
     

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    Another Youtube video of the launch of NUSHIP Stalwart:



    You can't help but be impressed at the speed this project has gone up to this stage:
    * March 2016 - Cantabria class design selected
    * June 2017 - Steel cut
    * 18 November 2017 - Supply keel laid down
    * 24 November 2018 - Supply launched (one year and six days)
    * 25 November 2018 - Stalwart keel laid down (one day after Supply launched)
    * 30 August 2019 - Stalwart launched (a few days short of nine months)

    And not long now before Supply starts sea trials and arrive here in Oz first quarter next year, Impressed? I am!

    As to the pennant numbers, Supply has the same pennant number as the previous HMAS Supply, 195, but it does seem odd that Stalwart is inheriting 304 from the recently retired HMAS Success, rather than 215 from the previous HMAS Stalwart, maybe someone didn't want her to inherit the old 'Building 215' nickname??

    I've put this link up before:

    http://www.defence.gov.au/spi/Docs/...iary Oil Replenishment Vessels - Navantia.pdf

    The construction cost by Navantia is A$646.8m for both ships (A$323.4m per ship), which also included at least A$120m of Australian supplied materials during construction.

    Cheers,

    PS, I wonder if we put an order in now for that possible 3rd AOR if we could have all three delivered before our Canuck cousins get their first new AOR??
     
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    You would likely receive a third AOR a half decade before the RCN gets their first Berlin AOR!
     
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    Navantia have certainly not been wasting any time, hopefully putting paid to any stereotypes about siestas and efficiency.

    For the other side of the Tasman, Hyundai are also putting in some long days building the new Aotearoa. The time line runs:

    July 2016 - Contract signed with HHI
    Feb 2018 - First steel cut
    August 2018 - Keel laid down
    October 2018 - Engines installed
    April 2019 - Aotearoa launched
    August 2019 - Engines run for first time
    Predicted
    Jan 2020 - Delivered to New Zealand

    The construction has been even faster than Navantia managed (8 months from keel-laying to launch) but a much longer lag between signing contract and cutting first steel. That presumably reflects the Cantabria design already being a known quantity to the shipyard, whereas Aotearoa is the first time anyone has adapted the Rolls Royce Environship concept to an AOR. It will be great to see both designs on the water together in the years to come.

    RNZN - Aotearoa
     
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    Dont forget the time on the building way is driven by block size. If you look at steel cut to launch both Navantia and HHI were pretty close. This could reflect that the use of a large dry dock allowed HHI to use larger blocks in the consolidation (which is pretty much thier normal practice for commerical vessels).
     
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    It's an interesting question John, not just for the RAN, but any navy looking for this type of ship.
    The Cantabria appears to be a quality product and with Navantias work force up to speed it certainly could be a win win for both supplier and customer for whoever commits to building another of this class of ship.
    Unfortunately probably to late for the RAN.

    Regards S