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hauritz

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spoz said:
Joint ventures and collaborations with Austal do seem to be a bit fraught -Luerssen and Civmec couldn’t come to an agreement with them. That, too, was a marriage the federal government tried to arrange. So yes, the WA lobby in the government of the day for meddling in what should be a technical, not a political, decision.

Suspect it would have been better to the build with Birdon.
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If Austal and Birdon can't get along then what will happen when Mitsubishi starts building Mogami frigates at Henderson?

At this stage I am not sure if the Japanese will be partnering up with anyone but Austal doesn't seem to play well with others.
 
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Reptilia

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I think this one is on Birdon …

Civmec may be the better partner with mitsubishi leaving Hanwha open to buy a greater share of Austal?

Maybe?
Civmec = Mogami
Austal = Evolved Capes, LCM, LCH, LOSV, Autonomous vessels in partnership with Greenroom Robotics recently announced.


‘Austal will also unveil its Vantage-class concept for two sizes of optionally crewed vessels at Indo-Pac. One is a 25m vessel with a payload of one TEU (20ft container equivalent), with a top speed of 20 knots and a range of 1200 nautical miles at 10 knots; and the other is a 55m vessel with a capacity of four TEUs, a top speed of 25 knots and a range of 6000 nautical miles at 12 knots.

“These concepts are very much designed to meet the needs of the ADF, contributing to a distributed and enduring maritime presence,” Abbott said.’

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Austal unveils Vantage-class optionally-crewed vessels - Australian Defence Magazine

Western Australian shipbuilder Austal has unveiled its concept for two new optionally-crewed vessels on the opening day of the Indo-Pacific maritime exposition in Sydney | Nigel Pittaway
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hauritz

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Reptilia said:
I think this one is on Birdon …

Civmec may be the better partner with mitsubishi leaving Hanwha open to buy a greater share of Austal?

Maybe?
Civmec = Mogami
Austal = Evolved Capes, LCM, LCH, LOSV, Autonomous vessels in partnership with Greenroom Robotics recently announced.


‘Austal will also unveil its Vantage-class concept for two sizes of optionally crewed vessels at Indo-Pac. One is a 25m vessel with a payload of one TEU (20ft container equivalent), with a top speed of 20 knots and a range of 1200 nautical miles at 10 knots; and the other is a 55m vessel with a capacity of four TEUs, a top speed of 25 knots and a range of 6000 nautical miles at 12 knots.

“These concepts are very much designed to meet the needs of the ADF, contributing to a distributed and enduring maritime presence,” Abbott said.’

www.australiandefence.com.au

Austal unveils Vantage-class optionally-crewed vessels - Australian Defence Magazine

Western Australian shipbuilder Austal has unveiled its concept for two new optionally-crewed vessels on the opening day of the Indo-Pacific maritime exposition in Sydney | Nigel Pittaway
www.australiandefence.com.au www.australiandefence.com.au
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Wouldn't surrprise me to see Austal concentrate more on autonomous vessels rather than larger manned ships. Smaller vessels have always been more their forte. Potentially a huge market with US involvement as well.
 
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K.I.

Member
spoz said:
Joint ventures and collaborations with Austal do seem to be a bit fraught -Luerssen and Civmec couldn’t come to an agreement with them. That, too, was a marriage the federal government tried to arrange. So yes, the WA lobby in the government of the day for meddling in what should be a technical, not a political, decision.

Suspect it would have been better to the build with Birdon.
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www.afr.com

The deal nobody wants to talk about while the PM’s in South Korea

An overdue ruling on South Korean defence giant Hanwha’s bid to double its stake in shipbuilder Austal may prove awkward for Anthony Albanese this week.
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Austal seem to be deliberately very difficult to work with.
Some of the shareholders are obviously well connected politically and play the look after the locals card well.
But it's going to do them out of a lot of work as they're not the big player on the world scale they think are. Can definitely see MHI forming a partnership with Civmec for the GPF leaving Austal do their own thing.
 
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Reptilia

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K.I. said:
www.afr.com

The deal nobody wants to talk about while the PM’s in South Korea

An overdue ruling on South Korean defence giant Hanwha’s bid to double its stake in shipbuilder Austal may prove awkward for Anthony Albanese this week.
www.afr.com www.afr.com
Austal seem to be deliberately very difficult to work with.
Some of the shareholders are obviously well connected politically and play the look after the locals card well.
But it's going to do them out of a lot of work as they're not the big player on the world scale they think are. Can definitely see MHI forming a partnership with Civmec for the GPF leaving Austal do their own thing.
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Sounds good in theory, Civmec could potentially start building steel units end 2026 after contract signing and accelerate the Australian build of upgraded Mogami timeline 3-4 years. Risky without the first ship in service but possible.
 
Todjaeger

Todjaeger

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d-ron84 said:
I'm getting used to it, what I can't work out is if these are new pics, why do they still have harpoon?
I'm pretty sure that they're going to be fitted with NSM from the start.
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Are they supposed to be Harpoon launchers though? Or is the RAN also using the Mk 141quad launchers for NSM? Alternately, is Australia using a different but similar looking quad-launcher arrangement?
 
d-ron84

d-ron84

Active Member
Todjaeger said:
Are they supposed to be Harpoon launchers though? Or is the RAN also using the Mk 141quad launchers for NSM? Alternately, is Australia using a different but similar looking quad-launcher arrangement?
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The pic is clearly quad stacked Cannister Launched Harpoon.
I can go in depth to answer the rest of your comment, or are you just living up to the "Potstirrer" tag?
 
Todjaeger

Todjaeger

Potstirrer
d-ron84 said:
The pic is clearly quad stacked Cannister Launched Harpoon.
I can go in depth to answer the rest of your comment, or are you just living up to the "Potstirrer" tag?
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I agree that it shows quad-packed angled launchers, which AFAIK is an available configuration for NSM as well and not only for Harpoon. Hence the question on whether the RAN is also using the Mk 141 for NSM. To date, I have been able find info on different NSM launcher configurations, but not which launchers are used by the RAN, never mind what they look like.

Relating to that, if someone has a picture of the NSM launchers the RAN is now using and can post it that would be helpful. The only NSM angled launchers I have found images of are boxed launchers used by Polish or USMC shore batteries.

On further digging, it looks like the USN has quad-box launchers for NSM fitted aboard at least some of the LCS. Is this the launcher the RAN is using?

Link to the TWZ article where I found the USN images here.
 
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Sandson41

Member
Todjaeger said:
I agree that it shows quad-packed angled launchers, which AFAIK is an available configuration for NSM as well and not only for Harpoon. Hence the question on whether the RAN is also using the Mk 141 for NSM. To date, I have been able find info on different NSM launcher configurations, but not which launchers are used by the RAN, never mind what they look like.

Relating to that, if someone has a picture of the NSM launchers the RAN is now using and can post it that would be helpful. The only NSM angled launchers I have found images of are boxed launchers used by Polish or USMC shore batteries.

On further digging, it looks like the USN has quad-box launchers for NSM fitted aboard at least some of the LCS. Is this the launcher the RAN is using?

Link to the TWZ article where I found the USN images here.
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These ones. I can't find a photo of them fitted right now though. Odd. Definitely seen them on one of the Anzacs...

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d-ron84

d-ron84

Active Member
Todjaeger said:
I agree that it shows quad-packed angled launchers, which AFAIK is an available configuration for NSM as well and not only for Harpoon. Hence the question on whether the RAN is also using the Mk 141 for NSM. To date, I have been able find info on different NSM launcher configurations, but not which launchers are used by the RAN, never mind what they look like.

Relating to that, if someone has a picture of the NSM launchers the RAN is now using and can post it that would be helpful. The only NSM angled launchers I have found images of are boxed launchers used by Polish or USMC shore batteries.

On further digging, it looks like the USN has quad-box launchers for NSM fitted aboard at least some of the LCS. Is this the launcher the RAN is using?

Link to the TWZ article where I found the USN images here.
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A quick google image search of "RAN DDG NSM Launcher" will bring up the answer you are looking for.

and here is an article that shows HMAS Sydney with Harpoons (2023) and NSM (2024)

psnews.com.au

Naval Strike Missile enters Navy service | PS News

The Royal Australian Navy’s latest anti-ship strike weapon has entered service the Chief of Navy has told Senate Estimates. In…
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