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Some interesting information about the Ghost Shark/Dive-XL and some of Anduril's other toys.
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The latest Chinese XLUUV is reportedly 6-8 Times larger ( by what measure? )than the Boeing XLUUV which is 26 meters long with payload module so around 20 cubic peters with the payload module .

The new Chinese is approx 46 metres long and appears to be 5 meters circumference so with about 90 cubic metres in size.

www.navalnews.com

New Unreported Submarine In China Leaves West Guessing - Naval News

The incredible naval expansion of China and modernization continues. The latest surprise is yet another new and unexplained submarine.
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CIVMEC to acquire Luerssen Australia.

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Civmec enters binding agreement to acquire Luerssen Australia - Civmec

This strategic acquisition marks a significant milestone in Civmec’s evolution as a sovereign Australian shipbuilder and will see the full ownership transfer of the Luerssen Australia business, including all assets, employees, and licences, subject to the satisfaction of conditions precedent...
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Statement in the link. (‘Deliver 5 over the next 3.5 years’. -End 2028*, Im guessing that covers ASC built Eyre also…)

www.navalnews.com

Australia: Civmec to acquire shipbuilder Luerssen Australia - Naval News

Australian engineering company, Civmec, is to acquire shipbuilder Luerssen Australia from Naval Vessels Luerssen (NVL) for A$20 million.
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www.australiandefence.com.au

CIVMEC to acquire Luerssen Australia - Australian Defence Magazine

Australian engineering company, CIVMEC, is to acquire shipbuilder Luerssen Australia from Naval Vessels Luerssen for A$20 million | Max Blenkin
www.australiandefence.com.au www.australiandefence.com.au
 
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Yes, ASC were subbies to Luerssen, who had the contractual responsibility to deliver. Going to be interesting as Civmec have never set a ship to work, because that part (for Arafura and to date for Eyre) was something they had no real involvement with. While I’m sure they will inherit the workforce concerned, it will be new for management. Standby for disputes over technical and regulatory issues. These are unfortunately a seemingly inescapable fact of life when dealing with a new shipbuilder, which Civmec is in this context.
 
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7 News report

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It's been a long time in the making. I look forward to Arafura's inclusion in the operational program and I'm sure she will be a useful addition.

The OPV's benefit was always in taking low end offshore functions away from the surface combatant fleet, in a way that small patrol boats could never do. Hopefully now that the first of class is in service this can start to be demonstrated.

I look forward to Eyre's commissioning later in the year, and then the first WA hull later on.

Question, while Arafura is home ported to FBW, my understanding is this is temporary while the first of class is fully worked up to final operational capability over the next 12 months or so. I still haven't seen where they will be long term based, will that be Darwin, Townsville, both projects somewhere else?
 
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It's been a long time in the making. I look forward to Arafura's inclusion in the operational program and I'm sure she will be a useful addition.

The OPV's benefit was always in taking low end offshore functions away from the surface combatant fleet, in a way that small patrol boats could never do. Hopefully now that the first of class is in service this can start to be demonstrated.

I look forward to Eyre's commissioning later in the year, and then the first WA hull later on.

Question, while Arafura is home ported to FBW, my understanding is this is temporary while the first of class is fully worked up to final operational capability over the next 12 months or so. I still haven't seen where they will be long term based, will that be Darwin, Townsville, both projects somewhere else?
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When the order was for 12, it was 6 to HMAS Coonawarra(NT), 4 to HMAS Cairns(QLD) and 2 to HMAS Stirling(WA).
Darwin + Cairns the likely destination going forward.(Stirling in the short term.)
Darwin precinct completion now pushed back to late 2026 or 2027 and Cairns precinct end 2028 or 2029 so it looks like Arafura to Stirling ftm, others possibly to Cairns maintained by Tropical Reef shipyard.

trshipyard.com.au

TRS Embark on Intensive Familiarisation Course for New Navy OPV Arafura - Tropical Reef Shipyard - Cairns Australia

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New Foundations Take a Foothold - Tropical Reef Shipyard - Cairns Australia

In 2024, the State Government assisted Tropical Reef Shipyard acquire a new 135 tonne crane. This was a transformative infrastructure grant which helped the shipyard...
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It’s not every day you see a frigate with a 3,600 tonne water displacement move on land! | BAE Systems Australia

For some good news, looks like Parramatta is back in the water, thereending the AMCAP. Obviously still some other work to finish alongside

In a time when many other projects are getting negative news, it is heartening to see projects successfuly finish with the desired intent.

Given the ANZACs, in particular Parramatta, will be around for a while, this update is an important improvement
 
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Japanese journalist Kosuke Takahashi YouTube channel

-interview with Japanese Mogami ‘Kumano’ commanding officer, Dr Nishiwaki Osamu(Deputy comissioner), Yamato Taro(Director general), Sumomo Sayako(ATLA) and Sato Hiroko(MHI).
>includes questions from Australian journalists after touring Mogami frigate.




 
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According to Sky news Australia…


‘TKMS originally pitched its A200 model to Defence with 16 VLS cells.
Described as the “Workhorse of the sea,” the modular ship is in operation with Egypt, Algeria and South Africa.
Under-gunned compared to the Mogami FFM, Sky News has been told that defence has agreed to also consider a beefed-up TKMS version known as the A210. It has been designed but not constructed and will feature 32 VLS cells and a Directed Energy weapon (DEW laser).’
 
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According to Sky news Australia…


‘TKMS originally pitched its A200 model to Defence with 16 VLS cells.
Described as the “Workhorse of the sea,” the modular ship is in operation with Egypt, Algeria and South Africa.
Under-gunned compared to the Mogami FFM, Sky News has been told that defence has agreed to also consider a beefed-up TKMS version known as the A210. It has been designed but not constructed and will feature 32 VLS cells and a Directed Energy weapon (DEW laser).’
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A lot to consider for Sea3000
On paper the A210 with 32 VLS sounds attractive and more in line with the Japans FFM.
The later is still my preference on a number of levels.
Noticed JB from APDR is quite enthusiastic about the TKMS offer.
Yes he did disclose his recent trip there!!!!!!

Will be interesting as to the final numbers purchased.
Originally it was for between 7 to 11 ships

Appears all the talk now is of 11 vessels.
I reckon that’s an optimistic number.

8 or 9 is my guess

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Reptilia

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A lot to consider for Sea3000
On paper the A210 with 32 VLS sounds attractive and more in line with the Japans FFM.
The later is still my preference on a number of levels.
Noticed JB from APDR is quite enthusiastic about the TKMS offer.
Yes he did disclose his recent trip there!!!!!!

Will be interesting as to the final numbers purchased.
Originally it was for between 7 to 11 ships

Appears all the talk now is of 11 vessels.
I reckon that’s an optimistic number.

8 or 9 is my guess

Cheers S
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Building 8 LCH from 2026 and 8 GPF from 2029 at the same yard I think is going to be tough and I have no doubt we will see delays, I just hope they put an option in for a 4th or 5th built overseas.
 
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Building 8 LCH from 2026 and 8 GPF from 2029 at the same yard I think is going to be tough and I have no doubt we will see delays, I just hope they put an option in for a 4th or 5th built overseas.
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Agree
Regardless of who wins, I’d suspect some flexibility in that manufacturing space.
Ideally we would build all our major combatants, but unfortunately that needed better decisions a decade ago.

Re LCM medium and Heavy, I feel it’s optimistic to see these two builds going to schedule.
This will no doubt have an effect on a domestic SEA 3000 build.

Apologies for the negative comments but this all looks very problematic.

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Under-gunned compared to the Mogami FFM, Sky News has been told that defence has agreed to also consider a beefed-up TKMS version known as the A210. It has been designed but not constructed and will feature 32 VLS cells and a Directed Energy weapon (DEW laser).’
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Suddenly the MEKO offering is not low-risk - as I predicted the A200 was never going to be a candidate, it was going to be the theoretical A210.

In my view that removes the last excuse for taking the German option. They've got a design which is more like the new-FFM in terms of capabilities, but:

a) is a completely new class, whereas new-FFM is essentially just a stretched Mogami;
b) is not yet being built for anyone, so Australia would take all the risk with it;
c) is not yet being built so we don't know when construction would start, whereas new-FFM is being laid down this year;
d) Germany cannot offer the strategic partnership that Japan can, and which Australia needs.
 
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