KipPotapych
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Middle East Defence & Security
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MARKMILES77
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Air and Space Forces Magazine reporting, that as well as multiple KC-135s being damaged, an E-3 AWACs has suffered significant damage
in the latest attack on Prince Sultan Air Base.
www.airandspaceforces.com
in the latest attack on Prince Sultan Air Base.
US Forces at Saudi Air Base Suffer Iranian Attack
Multiple U.S. service members were wounded and some aircraft were damaged in a March 27 Iranian attack on Prince Sultan Air Base, Saudi Arabia.
www.airandspaceforces.com
The AWACS is a bid deal Iran has systematically been taking out radars to the point e-3s are required to fill holes in what was once a dence network of layered capacity. The tankers aswell are still imop the linchpin of the u.s attack at least so long as Iran has ballistic and long range drone capacity.Air and Space Forces Magazine reporting, that as well as multiple KC-135s being damaged, an E-3 AWACs has suffered significant damage
in the latest attack on Prince Sultan Air Base.
US Forces at Saudi Air Base Suffer Iranian Attack
Multiple U.S. service members were wounded and some aircraft were damaged in a March 27 Iranian attack on Prince Sultan Air Base, Saudi Arabia.
Also worrisome is Iraq and Yemen. Yemen obviously due to there ability to further constrict shipping and Iraq due to there many other factors like support for proxies, ability to counter threaten any Gulf states, and of course attacks from there land. Well Iraq hasn't declared war it is imop in a defacto state of low level kinetic war with the u.s at this point.
NATO I think is unsupportive mostly due to trumps own actions in trade, support for Ukraine,threats,ect
Israel is objectively a counterproductive alli, when trump talks of de-escalation Israel reap new with provocative attacks on critical infrastructure like the gas fields or dangerously the nuclear sites
I think the big question here is how deep is Iran's ability to continue sending missiles at these ranges. Or potentially the world needing the oil to flow (tho I suspect Iran will continue to allow exports selectively and de-escalat that risk as needed)
For the u.s it's really a question of how to open the straits or a deal that will critically involve the u.s not lossing it's presence in the region as the exchange of oil in non u.s dollers is imop the biggest threat to the u.s in this whole mess of a completely avoidable situation
Air and Space Forces Magazine reporting, that as well as multiple KC-135s being damaged, an E-3 AWACs has suffered significant damage
in the latest attack on Prince Sultan Air Base.
US Forces at Saudi Air Base Suffer Iranian Attack
Multiple U.S. service members were wounded and some aircraft were damaged in a March 27 Iranian attack on Prince Sultan Air Base, Saudi Arabia.
Is this a second attack that hit some KC-135s? Or is that the same one, but we now have information about an E-3 getting hit?
Same attack there is also other sources if you don't consider this one reliable there is also the wall street journal. It's unknown how many kc-135 were hit once is clearly destroyed. Also no idea the severity of the damage to the e-3 but as far as I understand anything not minor on that platform is critical or at the very least difficult and time consuming to replace
MARKMILES77
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Definitely second attack on KC-135s. Up to 12 now damaged/destroyed.
Confirmation one E-3 completely destroyed and possibly damage to a second.
Confirmation one E-3 completely destroyed and possibly damage to a second.
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While the casualty count is relatively low, Iran has done surprising amounts of damage to high value US military assets. It makes one wonder what happens if Iran refuses to deal and simply continues as is.
It makes me wonder how long the u.s can logistically keep this up. Especially if they plan on expanding to ground operations. And in light of the expanding battlefield around them and dependence of alies on u.s for sustainability.
Right now a significant portion of u.s assets are essentially legacy systems that the u.s has not been able to replace in effective numbers. Well I have immense respect for the u.s logistical ability I do have serious concerns over there ability to keep those fleets running at this pace let alone increasing it.
Keep in mind I'm speaking in the context of the u.s not moving to a wartime economy. There is of course the counter point of Iran being able to sustain prolonged operations but, I'm basing this on the assumption they can as real information on that subject is beyond my pay grade. And wishful thinking does little to help at least when what I can see suggests Iran is managing this quite well for a nation that is under bombardment, tho notably not under seige as trade continues at least at a moderate level
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I completely forgot to mention this is also in context of the closing of the strait and its impact on the u.s. The oil shortages haven't even truly started yet let alone the refined products. Logistically and financially the longer that remains the case the harder it will be for the u.s on both those fronts. And Infact may require the u.s to restrict fuel sales abroad in order to sustain the immense volumes the currently require daily
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IRGC Attacks Factories Linked to US Military Industries in Bahrain, UAE - Politics news - Tasnim News Agency
TEHRAN (Tasnim) - The Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) said its forces have launched missile and drone strikes against two industrial factories associated with the US military and aerospace industries in the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.
Very notable quote in this article the IRGC claims it will not longer limit itself to reciprocal attacks. That beyond a certain threshold it will respond with more variety I guess is the implication there. If true, and there is no reason to doubt it this is makes the war imop alot more risky as far as escalation goes what was once predictable is now less so and subject to overreacting. Intentional or otherwise looking at you Israel personally if true I think this is a bad idea for Iran for various reasons
It makes me wonder how long marines would survive against persistent drone attacks on Kharg Island. That low casualty count would go through the roof.
KipPotapych
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^ One LTG’s (ret) opinion:
KipPotapych
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A few things I thought some of you would find interesting /informative.
On Iranian launches a month in (from Alperovitch):
A great graphic from JP Morgan outlining when the actual pain from the Gulf oil shortages should hit various regions of the world:
On Iranian launches a month in (from Alperovitch):
A great graphic from JP Morgan outlining when the actual pain from the Gulf oil shortages should hit various regions of the world:
What is the rumor claiming China is supplying to Iran?
KipPotapych
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^ it was reported that China is supplying satellite data to Iran and started doing so 10-14 into the war. All I saw.
In other news, Trump says that the negotiations with the Iranian speaker of parliament are going unbelievably well. The Iranian parliament in the meantime:
Rubio three days ago:
Also, Trump says he is negotiating with the new regime that is reasonable. Minutes later, Rubio says it is the same 47-year old regime full of lunatics.
Evolution of goals, just per one person:
I wonder what “destroying factories” entails.
On NATO:
In other news, Trump says that the negotiations with the Iranian speaker of parliament are going unbelievably well. The Iranian parliament in the meantime:
Rubio three days ago:
Also, Trump says he is negotiating with the new regime that is reasonable. Minutes later, Rubio says it is the same 47-year old regime full of lunatics.
Evolution of goals, just per one person:
I wonder what “destroying factories” entails.
On NATO:
In the old I'll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it style. There is now the I'll start a war and make the Gulf states pay for it classic.
Objectively this among other recent actions and statements is putting the entire American presence in the middle east at risk.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
So Israel has seen the light like the rest of ME neighbourhood. A shame Europe and Canada can’t figure this out.
www.bbc.com
Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks face death penalty under new Israeli law
The new law, passed on Monday, was pushed hard by the far-right and Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.
www.bbc.com
Or probably we have direct experience of whats happening and learned from our past. A very recent past like Srebrenica, no need to go back 80 years or 1800s pogroms.
IMHO lets not contaminate the geopolitic/military side of the thread with ethnic related post. Or it could be very easy to end up in flaming the conversation. Just my opinion.
IMHO lets not contaminate the geopolitic/military side of the thread with ethnic related post. Or it could be very easy to end up in flaming the conversation. Just my opinion.
personaldesas
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Financial Times said:
FT says Pete Hegseth’s Morgan Stanley broker tried in February to place a multimillion-dollar investment into BlackRock’s defense ETF, IDEF, shortly before the US-Israeli attack on Iran. The trade did not go through. The Pentagon denied it, calling it “entirely false and fabricated”.