Joining New Zealand Army - Advice please?

Rings85

New Member
Hello all,

My name is Adam and i am interested in joining the New Zealand Army as an Officer, specifically in the Infantry regiment. Having read through numerous posts on this forum, and found it to be an exceptionally good resource - not to mention the presence of a few kiwis - and have decided to seek your valued opinions. :D I am aware there is an "Introduce Yourself" thread, that will be next.

I have lived around the army all my life. My dad is a currently serving lieutenant colonel in the Signal Corps and has been in the army over 35 year and as such i have been with him on postings around the world. I have always enjoyed the resourcefulness, the well-roundedness, and intelligence of many of the army personal i have met and appreciate their commitment to what they do.

I personally have nearly completed a degree with majors in electronic commerce and information systems - the degree is such that it includes a number of project management, project implementation, or process analysis topics, along with an understanding of how organizations use information and more importantly, the underlying structure for that information flow. I believe these to be useful in any organization's context now and even more so in the future as systems of all kinds become more integrated, geographically dispersed, and real-time. Along with this i also have other minor qualifications in human resources and information technology. I am considered a natural talent (note: natural talent does not mean i think i am an expert at anything!) at many sports, notably Jitsu, my current fighting art - i enjoy being outdoors, working with other people, and having a sense of purpose and direction. One of the things that appeals to me the most about the army is that its a vocation rather than a money making endeavor. Many of my friends consider me intelligent, approachable, communicative, insightful and faithful.

Please don't take any of this to sound arrogant, i am just trying to give you some directed facts that i think are pertinent to this discussion. I am a VERY humble person.

I think i want to go infantry simply because it seems like a challenge and i find the tactics, technology, and organization to be very interesting, especially in the modern time where the infantry must be so multi-faceted.

My main problem with making this decision is that i don't really know allot of what will be involved after my initial officer training. There is little information available on the army's or other government websites, and my dad did his basic training a long time ago (with an M16 no less), so i feel i need an updated perspective on what to expect.

As an officer in the infantry what will i be expected to do? I understand that a lieutenant would be a platoon commander - but there must be more graduates to that rank each year than there are platoons, and those commanding platoons must be in those positions for a number of years, so what happens to those that do not get a command? Further, there are fewer company's, so what happens at the rank of captain? Staff positions?

What sort of training would i receive as a officer in the infantry? i am worried that i would be trained less than an enlisted man in certain aspects or particular weapons to a point that the officer is not really a combatant but a director or other combatants. I understand that different people in a unit will have specifications to a degree, but what amount of cross training amongst members of that unit exists - i assume there must be some to retain effectiveness due to attrition - but again, i have no idea.

Will my education help me get into this role? What sort of things can i do to enhance my possibility of getting into this role more readily?

I am aware that i will have several years of training to consider, this would presumably be at Linton after basic training. how long would i be training for? If i am posted to 1RNZIR will i only be deployed in a large scale war? it seems the majority of recent deployments have been from 2/1RNZIR topped up with territorials. Further, do the future prospects and plans for the New Zealand army in general, in terms of equipment, technology, training, logistics, command and control, make this choice a good idea?

A major concern for me is the amount of time i will have to spend away from my girlfriend, she is a major factor in my immediate reluctance to join up, as is being separated from family and a number of close friends.

I seriously think that this is what i want to do with my life, but i just to get a better understanding of what it will involve, immediately, and in the longer term. I just don't understand why it is just so damn ambiguous when it comes to finding this sort of information out, i think someone else mentioned that about the Australian system, i am sure the difficulty experienced in learning this sort of information is a contributing factor to recruitment crisis.

I appreciate that i have posed allot of broad questions here but my intent is to start a in depth discussion on this subject for the benefit of myself and others.

Many, many thanks for taking the time to read this post and any input you have for me would be greatly appreciated by myself and i am sure by others.

Adam

p.s. Apologies if this is in the wrong section.
 

Rings85

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Maybe i should be more to the point? :confused:

Does anyone have ANY information on joining the New Zealand Army?

I know there are some smart people on this board, so prove it to me!

Thanks guys.
 

mug

New Member
For some reason I can't seem to PM you.

If you want, I can check with a mate who's a 2LT in Linton and give you his email address. He may be able to answer any questions.

Keen?

Mod edit: The PM system doesn't activate until a person has made at least 50 posts.

Regards

AD
 

recce.k1

Well-Known Member
Sorry, I'm not qualified to give some decent help but here's a suggestion or two.

If it is possible to get to either Burnham or Linton it would be useful to talk directly to staff at each camp as they appear to "specialise" on either infantry or LAVIII motorised tasks etc, and have a good look around.

With your degree I wonder whether you ought to be looking at the high tech IT and comms areas etc? Maybe a talk to your local recruiting office might be worthwhile on career options and promotion paths etc - although I presume you've already done this etc.

If your girl-friend is an issue, perhaps join the Territorials and gain some worhtwhile experience if you decide to join the Army fulltime at a later date?

Good luck and please let us know how you get on, there's bound to be others out here like you wanting to know more about joining etc!
 

Combatintman

New Member
I can't speak for the Kiwi Army (but I've been in the British Army for 22 years) I will say one thing in the context of your statement about your girlfriend - Armed Forces life is hard on relationships. Now I know you clearly have given this some thought but if she's in any way vaguely high maintenance i.e. moaning because you can't see her then chances are you're going to have a tough time. The Army is more than a job it is a way of life and if she has a problem with that you're going to have to make a choice - job or bird. Divorce rates in the Army here are nothing to be proud of and its one of the reasons I've never been married. Not trying to put you off but just think about it.
 

Oiad

New Member
Hello all,

My name is Adam and i am interested in joining the New Zealand Army as an Officer, specifically in the Infantry regiment. Having read through numerous posts on this forum, and found it to be an exceptionally good resource - not to mention the presence of a few kiwis - and have decided to seek your valued opinions. :D I am aware there is an "Introduce Yourself" thread, that will be next.

I have lived around the army all my life. My dad is a currently serving lieutenant colonel in the Signal Corps and has been in the army over 35 year and as such i have been with him on postings around the world. I have always enjoyed the resourcefulness, the well-roundedness, and intelligence of many of the army personal i have met and appreciate their commitment to what they do.

I personally have nearly completed a degree with majors in electronic commerce and information systems - the degree is such that it includes a number of project management, project implementation, or process analysis topics, along with an understanding of how organizations use information and more importantly, the underlying structure for that information flow. I believe these to be useful in any organization's context now and even more so in the future as systems of all kinds become more integrated, geographically dispersed, and real-time. Along with this i also have other minor qualifications in human resources and information technology. I am considered a natural talent (note: natural talent does not mean i think i am an expert at anything!) at many sports, notably Jitsu, my current fighting art - i enjoy being outdoors, working with other people, and having a sense of purpose and direction. One of the things that appeals to me the most about the army is that its a vocation rather than a money making endeavor. Many of my friends consider me intelligent, approachable, communicative, insightful and faithful.

Please don't take any of this to sound arrogant, i am just trying to give you some directed facts that i think are pertinent to this discussion. I am a VERY humble person.
You sound like you have had a lot of time to get used to the Army and I'm sure your father's experiences have rubbed off on you. You should have no problems getting used to the life style.


My main problem with making this decision is that i don't really know allot of what will be involved after my initial officer training. There is little information available on the army's or other government websites, and my dad did his basic training a long time ago (with an M16 no less), so i feel i need an updated perspective on what to expect.
As an Officer, you must first attend an OSB (Officer Selection Board) which is held in Trentham (Wellington) 3 times a year (July, September and December). The OSB is a week long camp where you are tested in many areas to see if you have got the potential to become a good Officer. From experience, the week is not overly difficult physically (you will have to do an RFL and two circuit training excersizes), but will test you as a leader, your planning and management skills, and your ability to be a soldier. Be yourself, and if you have it in you you will be chosen.

Once selected, the next year you will do IOT (Initial Officer training, the Officer equivalent of basic training) which is a 7 week course starting on January 7. It's fairly rushed as basic usually takes 13 weeks, and will get you adjusted to life as a solider (remember, no matter what your job or rank is, you are a soldier first and foremost) and teach you basic soldiering tactics like weapons, navigation and drill. Once you graduate, depending on your choices, you will either do the NZCC (New Zealand Commissioning Course) straight away, or do a University degree first. I assume you are finishing your degree this year so will do NZCC first. Every Officer must do NZCC to become a commissioned Officer. NZCC is a 9 month course at OCS (Officer Cadet School) in Waiouru, which will teach you how to be a good leader, as well as a soldier. There will be no shortage of soldiering, trust me. You will spend weeks on weapons, and will know your IW Steyr better than the back of your hand. Also, you do a lot on grenades, anti-tank weapons, light and heavy machine guns and some cavalry. At OCS you also do 3 3 week field excersises where you will be put into combat situations and come under attack, some times all night :(

As an officer in the infantry what will i be expected to do? I understand that a lieutenant would be a platoon commander - but there must be more graduates to that rank each year than there are platoons, and those commanding platoons must be in those positions for a number of years, so what happens to those that do not get a command? Further, there are fewer company's, so what happens at the rank of captain? Staff positions?
Not all Officer graduates go to the Infantry Corps. As a 2Lt. in Infantry you will be placed as 2IC of a Platoon (about 50 men) but may become CO after a short while. I don't know what the Infantry does, but I imagine this will be your job mostly. In other Corps young Officers are managers and planners, but I think in Infantry you will be a ground leader only at first. Lt. is the same, and once you break Captain you will move into Company command and may do ground work, planning or a mixture. Additionally, you may decide you're sick of Infantry by now, and you might like you change Corps, or even become a Recruiter at Captain!


What sort of training would i receive as a officer in the infantry? i am worried that i would be trained less than an enlisted man in certain aspects or particular weapons to a point that the officer is not really a combatant but a director or other combatants. I understand that different people in a unit will have specifications to a degree, but what amount of cross training amongst members of that unit exists - i assume there must be some to retain effectiveness due to attrition - but again, i have no idea.
Like I said, you have a whole year of carrying your weapon everywhere you go, and will be trained the same as soldiers in terms of soldiering skills.

Will my education help me get into this role? What sort of things can i do to enhance my possibility of getting into this role more readily?
Your degree will not help much, but rather the experiences you would have gained while getting that degree will. The discipline of studying by yourself, self motivation and general life experience you have will put you at an advantage over many applicants, particularly younger ones. But, at the end of the day, it's what's already inside you that counts - your ability as a leader, which will be tested.

I am aware that i will have several years of training to consider, this would presumably be at Linton after basic training. how long would i be training for? If i am posted to 1RNZIR will i only be deployed in a large scale war? it seems the majority of recent deployments have been from 2/1RNZIR topped up with territorials. Further, do the future prospects and plans for the New Zealand army in general, in terms of equipment, technology, training, logistics, command and control, make this choice a good idea?
I think all Infantry is posted to Linton after NZCC and basic, yes. You may be deployed anywhere at any time. Usually, when deployment opportunities come up, you will be asked (good ol' NZ) if you want to go, and then be placed with other volunteers for pre-deployment training. The deployment could be to anywhere, from front line warfare (though NZ usually does not partake in this role, but who knows about the future) to peace keeping. If you're like me and want to travel, you will take every opportunity you can get, and there will be plenty. Most deployments occur in the first few years of Army life. And there will likely be a lot of TF soldiers with you.
Joining the Army, in my probably biased opinion, is the best thing any one can do. You're fed, watered, housed, clothed and looked after - and paid all the while. The training is second to none, no matter what it be in. You're guaranteed a job at the end, and any employer in Civvy Street will look kindly upon a serviceman/woman as he knows they have excellent discipline and self-motivation as well as the best training. Once you get out (if you do) training as an Officer will put your hand up for any middle-management job (depending on rank, obviously the higher you are, the higher your ability at management) or you can go back to doing what you got your degree in.

A major concern for me is the amount of time i will have to spend away from my girlfriend, she is a major factor in my immediate reluctance to join up, as is being separated from family and a number of close friends.
Like I said, first year you will hardly see her. Obviously this is a big decision for you to make. After that, the Army is very aware of families, and will not make you spend a lot of time away.

I seriously think that this is what i want to do with my life, but i just to get a better understanding of what it will involve, immediately, and in the longer term. I just don't understand why it is just so damn ambiguous when it comes to finding this sort of information out, i think someone else mentioned that about the Australian system, i am sure the difficulty experienced in learning this sort of information is a contributing factor to recruitment crisis.
They're looking at this problem at the moment. The NZ Army is finding it very difficult to recruit anyone, especially Officers, and one of the problems considered is that it's very hard to find information about it. They're supposed to be making a better website soon.

I appreciate that i have posed allot of broad questions here but my intent is to start a in depth discussion on this subject for the benefit of myself and others.

Many, many thanks for taking the time to read this post and any input you have for me would be greatly appreciated by myself and i am sure by others.

Adam

p.s. Apologies if this is in the wrong section.
You're welcome. Best of luck with your decisions!
 
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