Japan Ground Self Defense Force

Ananda

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Seems we don't have thread for Japan Army (JGSDF). So I'll start a thread on one of the World advance and well equipped army that still being called Self Defense Force.

Found this video on You Tube on the latest evolution of JGSDF that include their Network Centric battle organization, Urban and Anti Terror operation and their Humanitarian Rescue operation.

Nice equipment that they have developed domestically, and alltough it's developed for domestic need, but I still can see the attraction on export market. If only Japan can provide more attractive financing packages.
 

Ananda

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Report from Nikkei stating that Japan will pull back from Aegis Ashore project for land based BMD. Just wondering why the cost of Aegis Ashore/Land Based can be relatively more expensive than Aegis ship based.
After all it is the same system, and build in land supposedly will provide more saving than ship based.
 

Ananda

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Further article on Japan Aegis Ashore project, seems there's potential the project will be relook or being restructure on the scope and overall target of the project.
There's talk on changing the radar system from SPY 7 to back to SPY 6 which shown more commonality with Navy Aegis system.


Meanwhile the US still optimistic that Japan will stay with Aegis Ashore project with some adjustments.

Both article in my opinion still shown how Japan still looking the best model for BMD onshore system.
 

Terran

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It’s official, Japanese Ospreys for the JGSDF.
As it is the JGSDF it will be interesting to see how and what they aim for use. My assumption is this is for their fledgling Marine unit.
For the US one of the problems that V22 has had was that the USMC wanted to partner it with a Internally transportable vehicle.
However the size of the cargo hold door forced early on costom tailored vehicles for said role. The Japanese happen to have a vehicle off the shelf that seems all but tailored for the V22 the Suzuki Jimny 4x4 which although an the current generation is an inch a and three quarters to tall previous generations convertible models were the prefect hight and width to squeeze in. If mated to a trailer small units could easily use the pair for scouting, raiding or towing.
 

ngatimozart

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It’s official, Japanese Ospreys for the JGSDF.
As it is the JGSDF it will be interesting to see how and what they aim for use. My assumption is this is for their fledgling Marine unit.
For the US one of the problems that V22 has had was that the USMC wanted to partner it with a Internally transportable vehicle.
However the size of the cargo hold door forced early on costom tailored vehicles for said role. The Japanese happen to have a vehicle off the shelf that seems all but tailored for the V22 the Suzuki Jimny 4x4 which although an the current generation is an inch a and three quarters to tall previous generations convertible models were the prefect hight and width to squeeze in. If mated to a trailer small units could easily use the pair for scouting, raiding or towing.
Trouble is the Osprey isn't exactly the quietest of platforms for sneaking up on the foe to ensure that they have a meeting with ancestors.
 

Terran

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Trouble is the Osprey isn't exactly the quietest of platforms for sneaking up on the foe to ensure that they have a meeting with ancestors.
That’s true of just about any helicopters. It does however offer longer range faster speed than an equivalent chopper. The reason for the second part of my commentary also address that issue IE a internally transported vehicle to drive the final leg of the trip then haul arse out.
 

ngatimozart

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That’s true of just about any helicopters. It does however offer longer range faster speed than an equivalent chopper. The reason for the second part of my commentary also address that issue IE a internally transported vehicle to drive the final leg of the trip then haul arse out.
Yep, but the Osprey is probably twice as noisy as the venerable UH-1H Iroquois, which could be heard miles away some days. Great fun flying in though.
 

Terran

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It depends. During vertical flight mode a Tiltrotor like a helicopter is producing more thrust to keep aloft. However unlike a helicopter in forwards flight Tiltrotor aircraft operate like fixed win aircraft. Using lift and lower thrust to get higher speeds. In vertical mode V22 has been compared to CH53. I believe the Japanese when planning to base used a CH47 as a stand in so some where around a tie when in vertical mode. When in horizontal however it’s a Hiss.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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The second of 5 ordered is recently delivered.

The cost of the contract for 5 MV-22B Block C is $332,5 million, that means the contract is not including training, spareparts and GSE (sustainment package), like the package offered to Indonesia?
 

John Fedup

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With the cancellation of Aegis Ashore by Japan, this article suggests a less expensive option, passive defence, rather than spending tons of money on advanced missile interceptors. Decoy buildings, high-tech camouflage, and hardening of some critical infrastructure. Never heard about ultra performance concrete before. This together with some active land defence kit might be a reasonable solution for Japan (and perhaps a couple of extra Aegis destroyers).

 

old faithful

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How does it compare with a Chinook? One just flew over, rather low.
It’s different, it’s not just the sound, there is a weird very low frequency thud thud thud that it generates, you can actually “feel” it. I was almost 1 km away from a few that were taxiing
At Darwin airport, and could “feel” the pressure from the blades, but only when they are tilted, when in the horizontal they weren’t anywhere near as loud.
 
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